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Reaction: Supernatural 5.06
Late, sorry. Contains a few screencaps and one brief well-marked spoiler for the episode of the Mentalist that aired on 10/15/09. And all the usual stuff.

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-Oct 7 - Title of 5.06 something about children being the future. Title of story in newsletter marked with a 5.06 spoiler-flag mentioning Hasbro. EVIL TOYS!!!! \o/ Now I have 'Creepy Doll' by Jonathan Coulton running through my head. :-) Maybe, maybe not though.

-Oct 12 - Fic. Not a bad fic, but I read it through and until I got to the first comment, I didn't realize it was based on a spoiler for 5.06. Went back to the top, yep, there it is in the headers and everything. Well fuck. *writes 'I will read the warnings on fic' on chalkboard a hundred times* So, we have a kid that turns people into dolls. Possibly Castiel. A PWT shout-out would be cool, although a shout-out to Doctor Who would be freaking fantastic (the Master in the old series used to turn people into dolls a lot). In-series-wise, given the crack level required, I'm guessing it's a little Trickster of some kind. Or not so little. Which also... *glances at theory spun from future spoiler* hehehe. Yeah. I think I know exactly what the pre-hiatus cliffie will be.




Reaction and meta-bits for Supernatural 5.06 - "I Believe the Children are Our Future"


(Vampire Diaries: Wooden bullets? Seriously?? But... How would that even... Gah.)



-Wow, short THEN. "Grab on to whatever's in front of us and kick its ass" \o/

-Alliance, Nebraska. Is she watching Herbie?

-Hehe, I like the kid's fake-out death becaue we all know someone's not surviving the pre-title sequence.

-Ah. She's watching Cujo. And now there's a dog barking in the background. If y'all will excuse me, me and my dog issues will be hiding behind the couch.

-Whew, no actual attack, just aftermath, yay. Also yay for the man being the one to scream. He screams well.

-Page and Plant! They've used those names before. Maybe they're actually using what the badges say now?

-Title: I Believe the Children are Our Future Ah, okay. Arg. Thanks for the earworm, Show. Gaaaah.

-Server issues. *snerk*

-She clawed through her own skull with press-on nails?? What kind of nails are those, and what sort of glue is she using.

-Phantom itch, hehe.

-Dean and a kid! \o/ (Dean had babysitters?) Kid is a horrible horrible liar.

-Itching powder!!! Now aren't we all glad that whatever's going on here wasn't happening in Richardson, Texas 5 years ago?

-Written by Andrew Dabb and Daniel Lofflin, the comic-industry duo that brought us Yellow Fever and a few other eps. Directed by Charles Beeson, fairly regular director with the show since season 3 and directed, among other things "It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester" ...hunh. Okay.

-Okay, wait a minute, who the heck's phoning Sam? Maybe they left a card with the doctor to call them if there were any other unusual deaths? Yeah, sure. *handwaves*

-That doctor has a really familiar voice, like familiar from Supernatural voice. Has he played something on the show before? Or is it just that he sounds kind of like the snake guy from 'Yellow Fever'?

-Joy Buzzer. Oooo. Practical jokes gone awry. Or cursed practical jokes? Cool! (Heh, and that's exactly the same hospital room as they found Raphael's vessel in.)

-Dean in welding gear, OMG. The goggles! XD Sam calling Dean Mr. Wizard! \o/ Very practical of them though. Test an aspect of the case and cook dinner!

-Three cheers for cursed thingies! \o/

-The name of the store is the Conjurarium. Hm. Not exactly target-market friendly.

-It pleases me no end that even with everything that's happened and the apocalypse, and the end of the world, Dean can still get a moment of joy from a Whoopie Cushion. And that Sam can still bitchface at him for it. Nawwww, boys!

-I love that the obviously low-traffic store has a little 'take a number' thingy on the counter. Oh, hey! maybe it's rigged to spray water or something, in keeping with the store product-line.

-Whatever's happening, it's totally not this store-owner guy. He has all the menacing presence of a used teabag.

-Hey, Dean paid cash for the Whoopie Cushion. Wow. That's either a sign of respect, or a sign that he's expecting they'll have to off the guy later and he can get it back. Or would they loot the bodies of things they kill that have money. They aren't D&D characters. Hm. It'd be pragmatic, though. Hunh. It's an interesting point of ponderment. *ponders*

-OMG the semi-interrogation and subsequent rubber chicken death scene! XD

-Tooth fairy!! \o/ Ooo... Random bounce of thought: Winchesters vs. Mr. Teatime.

-Very wise child. That fairy mobile hanging over her bed has obviously scarred her. Seriously, look at it.



-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH Big hairy, bearded, tutu, tooth fairy! OMG. *collapses over writing table in fits of giggles*

-[Rewatch: Nurse Freemont. Oh, ha. As in Anthony Freemont the Twilight Zone kid (played by a very young Lennier Billy Mumy) The one that wishes people he doesn't like into the cornfield. Cute show.]

-Pop Rocks and Coke! HIS FACE FROZE THAT WAY!!! \o/



Hee! Jensen, you rock.

-Dean believed in sea monkeys when he was 6. A little underwater family unit like the kind he'd never have again. Awww.

-Childhood beliefs coming true, endless source of canon crack. I still call junior trickster.

-"Sense of humour of a 9-year-old"/"Or you." Hee. Very true. Even after everything, Dean remains Dean.

-Ham! XD See? Practical. Although I suspect Dean's motives since although they don't have a fridge, they do have that ice chest they keep beer in, Last seen in... "After School Special" I believe, so unless they turfed it between then and now, needing to use up the meat in a hurry isn't really an issue, so Dean's either claimed it won't fit or that it cant go in without contaminating the ice so he has an excuse to eat an entire ham mostly by himself. *nods*

-Hairy palm! OMG. *loses it completely* Jeez, Dean!

-"Do not use my razor!" "*smirk*" HA! If Sam hadn't said anything, his razor would probably have been safe.

-Um, FBI would knock first, guys. Stick to your cover story before switching to B&E mode. Plus there is a station wagon parked off to the side there. Plus, Ruby's knife? Really? Does it work on anything other than demons? I guess if you're breaking into some completely unknown thing's lair any magic item is better than none. *handwaves* Still, knock first.

-"So, what, you guys don't knock?" SEE! SEE! *smacks Sam and Dean upside the heard* Idjits. Cute idjits though. Sam is looking particularly... something here. Not sure what.



Also how many ties does he have? He had a stripey one at the hospital, didn't he?

-"It's called soup. You heat it up and you eat it." Kid has attitude. I like that.

-You know, I wonder if there isn't a kid belief effect happening here. Kid believes adults are kind of dumb, and Sam and Dean bring an ineffectual demon-killing knife to a baby Trickster's house, don't knock when they're pretending to be FBI, and ask questions about the blindingly obvious soup. Like an IQ-reducing field for anyone past the age of 15. Makes perfect sense! *nods and handwaves*

-"I used to make my own dinner too when I was a kid." Actually, on the two occasions we've seen wee!Sam getting fed, it's been Dean doing either the heating up or the finding, Sam. (Remember the Lucky Charms, Sammy? Never forget the Lucky Charms!) Although I guess saying "my big brother made me dinner or threw bags of Funyons at me and I complained sometimes" wouldn't help with the attempt you're making to establish rapport with the kid, and maybe every other time we haven't seen your wee!self, he was whipping up Soup, or Chef Boyardee, or who knows, trout florentine, (Yeah, suuuuuuure) so I'm cool with this minor possible fact-bending in the interest of furthering the case. *handwaves*

-"My dad told me different stories." Awwwww.

-"You shouldn't have that." And you certainly shouldn't be carrying it in your pants pocket!! What if it went off!!! O.O

-Convincing the kid the joy buzzer doesn't do anything dangerous and then testing it on Sam. EEK! O.O A wee bit dangerous, but he did make Dean pull that face in the hospital when he'd just found out that it might freeze that way, so I call it even. Plus it's obvious the kid doesn't believe it anymore, and what other nine-year-old thinks the tooth fairy looks like that? Has to be the kid, kid doesn't believe, therefore it's safe, therefore I retract the 'EEK!' Also:



Hee! Poor Sam. First chance Dean has to safely pull a practical joke on him in an episode full of them, of course he takes it. Would this be a trust exercise? I think this might be a trust exercise. Because if Dean has to re-learn to trust Sam, Sam has to re-learn to trust Dean won't kill him on purpose. Or something. Needs more brain.

-Also yay for smart Dean figuring it out and explaining it to Sam!! Equal partnership goes both ways.

-Adopted, oh ho! Jesse is totally a baby Trickster. *nods*

-Fish-eye cam FBI badges!



Coming soon to a billion icons near you! \o/ And yes, they are using the names on the badges, which is good because everyone in this episode wants to look at them.

-I like her, she's efficiently paranoid.

-Kid was born March 29th, 1998. Is it sad that I'm gleeful that his birthday is one day (and *mumble* years) off from mine?

-SALT! Although with the colour of the canister I thought for a while she was throwing baking powder on them and was wondering what the hell that was good for. But anyway, SHE KNOWS ABOUT SALT! OMG

-Ooo. Formerly possessed. And she survived. Why do I think that doesn't bode well for her future uninhabited state? Seems to me that if the demon who possessed her left her healthy, there could be a reason. Then again, demons have shown their strategic abilities to run the gamut from "seemingly good, I think" to "would lose a game of tic-tac-toe with a 4-year-old" so her still being alive and sound could just be random capriciousness.

-9 months. Oh wow. *tosses baby Trickster theory* Took show a while to riff off of 'Rosemary's Baby' but here we are, I guess. Although it's arguable if she was a virgin. Seriously, she's possessed by a demon and only remembers bits, it's entirely possible they got her pregnant by some more traditional method than demonic parthenogenesis.

{{{SPEC-PHOBE WARNING}}}

-Anyone think the demon might have been Meg? Because of that whole thing she said in "Born Under a Bad Sign" about not giving a rat's ass about the master plan? And this 'breeding the antichrist' is part of her own seperate plan for... something? Just me? Okay.

{{{SPEC-PHOBE WARNING CLEAR}}}

-On a side note, I'm a little disturbed formerly-possessed-lady has two old-fashioned hand-crank grinders clamped onto her kitchen prep table (one, sure, but two?), but I am pleased to note that the horseshoe over her door is the correct way up. Unlike the one over the door of the guys who stole the rabbit's foot.

-Hi Castiel! 'Kill him.' Yep. Half-expected that and it makes tactical sense from a black and white point-of-view, which despite his contact with humanity, Castiel's point-of-view still is. And now the free will vs absolutes argument begins, yes?

-"Cambien" seems to be a form of the Spanish verb meaning 'to change or alter' which fits, sort of, and "catago" seems to have something to do with horse-riding fashion, so maybe I'm spelling them wrong? Unless he's a horse nut, which would go along with the Four Horsemen, but really that's a stretch so I don't know. *headscratch*

-Oh, well, free will vs absolutes argument right after the Whoopie cushion of course. I suppose if you're going to use a practical joke that a kid may have believed into something other than lameness, use the one that a) is least likely to have a deadly belief associated with it, and b) use it on someone relatively damage-proof. In this case, it sounds like the kid believed it into having an extended and louder effect.

-"That wasn't me." Oh god. Castiel is either the best or worst target for practical jokes. *facepalm* Oh, hey! Since Castiel's now had Dean pull a practical joke on him, that totally makes him an honourary Winchester again some more, right?

-"Destroy the host of heaven." Wow. So I guess that explains what happened to the angels in the End!Verse, hunh? Big L found Jesse uncontested. And Castiel being on the outs with Zach's heirarchy kept him safe-ish.

{{{Mentalist spoiler}}}

-Also apparently Lucifer hasn't had the time to look for Jesse here yet because he's been busy starting up a biker gang in California. The crossover writes itself.

{{{end Mentalist spoiler}}}

-"A year ago you would have done whatever it took." Gah, where would that be on the timeline? What month is it? When are we? This show doesn't need time travel to obfuscate its chronology; its self-obfuscating.

-Aw Sam. Tell him the truth, let him decide. Aw. Because Sam has to believe that there's a hope of redemption. Also because if the kid is that powerful he'd probably be able to nuke the demons too, but that's just a bonus.

-"He might make the right choice."/"You didn't." OUCH, Castiel. And Dean doesn't defend Sam, because, well, Castiel has a point. But still, ouch. That trust-issue elephant in the room isn't getting any smaller is it? :-/

-Okay, paranoid lady whose name I never got, why in hell are you leaving your house without checking the surrounding area? And why aren't you diving for the salt as soon as someone random appears? Or at least diving back inside and locking the door? For someone who is paranoid and has had the source of that paranoia confirmed by an external source in the past day, this is very reckless of you. And if you're skipping town, why... gah. For the sake of my own sanity, I'm going to assume you've had a momentary lapse of common sense (along with Sam and Dean who didn't outfit you with an anti-possession charm (unless they didn't re-stock after "Jus in Bello" (see also again common sense))) and move on. *handwaves*

-"I won't hurt you" eh? That's rather a lot like a lie there, Castiel. o.O

-Oh Castiel. You suck as an assassin. Why all stabbity, though? Why not some non-confrontational 'demon-sprog never wakes up' method? Is it a special knife? OR did you (consciously or subconsciously) pick a method the kid would recognize as a threat because you want to be stopped and want the kid to realize what he is, so the Winchesters can go in and do it their way? Hm. *ponders*

-Heeeee! Not plastic!Cas but close enough for a shout-out, I think. I mean he could have turned Castiel into anything, right? *congratulates anteka* Why isn't whoever did that figure doing merchandise? I'd buy an action figure! Beats all hell out of the mini-busts. o.O

-So much flailing at Dean's superhero spiel. "Like the X-men?" Heh. What would have happened if the kid had actually fully believed that that existed? Would random kids have started getting super-powers and showing up at Bobby's? Would Bobby have become psychic like Professor X? There's an AU there, I think. ;-D

-Also, while Jesse believed that Sam and Dean were FBI... were they? o.O Did Agent Plant and Page show up in the FBI roster? I suppose it's out of the kid's range at this point, but it would have been funny if they had. Random FBI supervisor guy phones up looking for a status report on the investigation. Sam and Dean go "Bzuh?" XD

-And of course the demon has to show up and screw things up. By telling the truth. Interesting, that. There's a theme there, I think.

-Too much nifty to take notes. *tosses pen in the air*

-"Because I have to believe someone could make the right choice. Even if I couldn't." Oh Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam. Ow.

-OMG Castiel! So lucky that that upraised arm didn't break off. Let this be a lesson; If you're getting turned into a doll, make sure to keep your limbs close to your body so you aren't as breakable. *nods*

-"What if I don't wanna fight?" Oh, honey, no matter what side you end up on, you aren't likely to get the option not to fight in some way. :-(

-"A freak?" Heh. There's some echoes for Sam. And Dean.

-"We're kinda freaks ourselves." YES! ACCEPT YOUR FREAKITUDE! \o/

-Parents? Oh, right, they're sleeping through all this. Castiel must have poked them. "There's nothing more important than family, we get that." Nawwwwww.

-Sam's hair has been rather good this ep but this, with the wee flippy curl on the side?



A leeetle bit Queen Elizabeth-ish. My mom would kill for hair like that.

-Is it just me, or is having windows on interior doors kind of weird?

-That's the only time we've seen his parents.... I wonder if it's a couple of crew people rather than actors. That would be kind of cool and possibly save budget money. \o/

-AUSTRALIA!!! He's going surfing in Australia!!! \o/ Ooo! I wonder if... See, I don't know offhand anywhere in the Lower Mainland with surfing they could film. But Tofino on Vancouver Island does, as does Long Beach. If they end up bringing Jesse back in (because let's face it, this much set-up there's no way he's not coming back) and have a scene with surfing in Australia, maybe it'll be filmed on the Island. Some Vancouver shows do that once in a while, most places on the Island are cheaper to film in so it makes up the extra transport costs. Plus it'd get them right out of the way of the Olympics, if that's when they filmed. Regardless, yay for Australia! \o/

{{{SPEC-PHOBE WARNING}}}

-It'd be, like, just Jesse and Lucifer in Australia though, unless Castiel popped Sam and Dean over too. Hm. Doubtful, but an interesting thought, unless... OOO!!! OMG. If Lucifer ever gets into Sam, and finds Jesse, Jesse will trust him! And Castiel and Dean would pop over chasing Sam and oh crap! That's so possible. o.O

{{{SPEC-PHOBE WARNING CLEAR}}}

-I suppose that blipping to Australia removes Jesse from having to answer the 'who's side are you fighting on' and keeps him out of the fight, for a while. But I don't doubt he'll be found, one way or another, powers or no.

-Don't leave Castiel on the mantel! Oh, wait, never mind. Good thing he didn't take him with; full-size Castiel busting out of Dean's pocket would be a little awkward.

-"We destroyed that kid's life by telling him the truth." Not really. You gave him a heads-up that evil things are out to get him. And seriously, his life was pretty screwed regardless, you just let him know why and gave him the option of doing something about it, which is not a bad thing, I think.

-"The more I think about it, the more I wish Dad had lied to us."/"Yeah, me too." Oh, boys. That wouldn't have made your life any less screwed up either and you know it. *pats them both*


Well, there went a fine piece of crack!theory out the window and the wee antichrist is surfing in Australia. Rather pyrrhic conclusion for a pre-hiatus episode, so I see why they had the SOON which I have not seen don't want to see and don't want to hear about at all until all the episodes referenced in it are aired. Also, *shelves theory about what was going to be a cliffhanger because it might be influenced by future spoilers* nuts.

Jesse will totally be back. He's a pint-sized gun on the wall. He's so on the wall he has his own display case. This episode built it for him.

So, repeat next week, I think, yes? Anyone know when the next batch of new eps starts up again?




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auriliawestlake From: auriliawestlake Date: October 18th, 2009 04:16 am (UTC) (Link)
Next week is a repeat, but the week after is a new episode. I don't think the mid-season Hellatus starts until after episode ten (but I might be wrong on that, so be sure to double-check!).
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 18th, 2009 06:21 am (UTC) (Link)
Hunh. Weird to have just a one week hiatus, but I guess they have their reasons.
percysowner From: percysowner Date: October 18th, 2009 03:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
Sweeps start October 29 (our next new episode) and end Nov 25. Skipping next week gives the CW 4 new episodes to run during sweeps. It's a tactical thing, nothing more.
malevolent73 From: malevolent73 Date: October 18th, 2009 05:02 am (UTC) (Link)
I totally said that about the interior doors! Why is there glass in those bedroom doors? That is weird.

Excellent review. Makes me thinky. :)
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 18th, 2009 06:25 am (UTC) (Link)
Thinky is good!
pinkphoenix1985 From: pinkphoenix1985 Date: October 18th, 2009 05:08 am (UTC) (Link)
Repeat next week, new episodes from Oct 29th until Nov 19th and then nothing until mid-late Jan :(
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 18th, 2009 06:43 am (UTC) (Link)
Okay, thanks for the schedule update!
pinkphoenix1985 From: pinkphoenix1985 Date: October 18th, 2009 04:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
you're welcome!
blackcat333_99 From: blackcat333_99 Date: October 18th, 2009 07:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hee! Poor Sam. First chance Dean has to safely pull a practical joke on him in an episode full of them, of course he takes it. Would this be a trust exercise? I think this might be a trust exercise. Because if Dean has to re-learn to trust Sam, Sam has to re-learn to trust Dean won't kill him on purpose. Or something. Needs more brain.

I hadn't thought of it like that, but you might have a very good point. It's not just Dean that needs to work on trusting his sibling. *ponders*

-"We destroyed that kid's life by telling him the truth." Not really. You gave him a heads-up that evil things are out to get him. And seriously, his life was pretty screwed regardless, you just let him know why and gave him the option of doing something about it, which is not a bad thing, I think.

I love how much perspective plays into the conclusions one can honestly reach. Because from their shoes... I see why Dean feels this way. And I kinda agree with him. Not because of intent, but because of the end result. They gave him full disclosure, and now the kid not only knows everything, but he's alone and undoubtedly scared and upset, etc, not even having his parents with him to help him through this. BUT, I agree that he was screwed regardless, and because the alternative was demons getting their claws into him... it was a necessary thing. Just... hard situation. Period. Poor Jesse. I do hope we see him again and he gets reunited with his parents, at least.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 19th, 2009 08:45 am (UTC) (Link)
I hadn't thought of it like that, but you might have a very good point. It's not just Dean that needs to work on trusting his sibling. *ponders*

Trust is very much a two-way street, and Sam kind of lost a few kinds of trust in Dean during season 4. That Dean would never leave him, that Dean could handle anything (he kept saying Dean wasn't strong enough), and that Dean would not see him as a monster and kill him. Some of that was done in through outside influence, some through internal doubt. Trust is a kind of faith, and both of them need to rebuild their faith in each other and in the strength of their family. They have to, or they won't survive this and neither will the world.

They gave him full disclosure, and now the kid not only knows everything, but he's alone and undoubtedly scared and upset, etc, not even having his parents with him to help him through this. BUT, I agree that he was screwed regardless, and because the alternative was demons getting their claws into him... it was a necessary thing. Just... hard situation. Period.

In both the Winchester's cases and Jesse's case, it's kind of like an incurable disease. Would you want to know if you had a fatal disease if there was nothing you could do to fix it? What about if knowing let you avoid certain things and extend your life? Ignorance is a kind of bliss in this case, but knowledge can extend a less-than-blissful life. Bad analogy maybe, but I;m about to fall asleep on the keyboard and it's the best I can do at the moment.
ficwriter1966 From: ficwriter1966 Date: October 18th, 2009 08:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think the 1 week rerun is because the season started a week early - so the CW could combo SPN with Vampire Diaries and give them a jump on the competition.

Something I wondered about: can you EAT rock salt? My dad is always telling me it will eat through the sidewalk, so not to dump it on too liberally. I've watched the ep twice now, and I keep wondering if Julia messed herself up by dumping all that salt down her throat. Even if not, ECCCHHHHH.

I like the idea of a baby Trickster. Is there fic on this? If not, there should be. I should perhaps ponder this.

The *only* thing I didn't like about the ep was that it was so dark. I think I need a better TV, so I can see what's going on.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 19th, 2009 08:59 am (UTC) (Link)
I think the 1 week rerun is because the season started a week early - so the CW could combo SPN with Vampire Diaries and give them a jump on the competition.

Ah, cool.

Something I wondered about: can you EAT rock salt?

Yep. Rock salt is usually Halite, which is NaCl, just like table salt, only the naturally-ocurring mineral form instead of evaporated from brine or manuactured by chemical process. It's not good to eat of course, but it wouldn't cause real damage unless you ate it regularly enough for sodium intake issues to be a problem. I would think anyway. I've never heard of it eating through concrete, just cars :-D
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