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Part 1
- "Abandon All Hope..." - Part 2
And continuing on.

-Yay! They're actually attempting first aid! I see an ace bandage and some big gauze-like pads. Shop rags? Maybe some cotton balls? Not sure what the big bowl is for, but a bowl is always handy. *nods*





-"How's she holding up?"/*silence* and this face:


Sam Winchester: Crushing your last hope with his face since 2009. Well, and probably earlier, but I can't think of an example offhand, because I'm oddly distracted by the creeping sense of doom.

-"You heard Meg. Her father's here." And you know it's not Azazel, since he's toast. Unless there's one hell of a twist coming.

-Ack! Oh shit, you guys, Bobby's all alone!


Maybe the trap is to get everyone away from Bobby and... You know what, I'm too paranoid for my own good sometimes. If Bobby was dying this episode, there'd have been a pointedly aww-worthy scene between him and Dean or Sam earlier. But we got an aww/snicker-worthy scene between Dean and Jo, so Jo is gonna die. Plus there's the whole being attacked by a Hellhound thing, and the fact she's already dying. Damn you, Kripke! But thank you for not killing Bobby yet. But damn you anyway. [INDEED!]

-Bobby's CB call number: C5FDO Not currently parked as an LJ handle if anyone wants a really obscure Supernatural-related one.

-Oh. Oh Dean. Dean makes a teary call, an 'I don't know what to do' call, when he's holding himself together for the sake of everyone around him and needs someone he can allow himself to break down to, (albeit with great resistance, because he's fighting this) and to lean on for support if only for a second. Who does he make that call to now that John's gone? He makes it to Bobby. What does Bobby do? He answers. And he answers the way John would have, the way Dean needs him to answer, with a way to move forward and keep going and hope for time to grieve later. I love John. I do. I know he had reasons for everything and did what he could. But right now, Bobby wins the Supernatural Father-Figure of the year trophy. Of course, John's not even in the running this year since he's gone, so take that however you will.













-That said, Oh Dean! Oh Bobby! Oh John!

-And getting down to business. Ritual. Reapers. OH YEAH! DEATH! THE ONE WITH THE SICKLE ALASTAIR BORROWED! \o/ Woot! Pale rider on a pale horse, come on down! *dances* I wish they could make a Pratchett reference for Death. I rather hope they'll manage to wedge in a line to the effect of "What where you expecting? A skeleton in a robe riding a horse called Binky?" when Death is actually seen. Probably not this episode, too soon. If not, then I hope Death is a girl with an ankh... What? They have to reference something! And now a random pic of Bobby's 'we're screwed' face in bad lighting.


Just because.

-BOBBY USES STICKY NOTES! \o/ I can't even explain why that brings me so much glee exactly, but seriously *GLEEEEEEEE*



-Ha! "Hell, I've died several times myself!" Bwahahahahaha! He's got a point there.

-"Last time they hauled him up, Noah was building a boat." Oooooo.

-Midnight. Carnage at Carthage... hey, hang on. Was Carthage where 'Old Rebel Yeller' was set? [Nope, that was Fredricksburg, VA. Darn. Why does Battle of Carthage sound familiar then? *googles more* There are six of them, (including several during Roman times which a wargamer friend has no doubt re-enacted, re-strategized, and painted miniatures for with the historically correct colour of helmet doodad.) If you want your city to remain battle-free, by all you hold holy, do not name it Carthage. o.O]

-And back to cat and mouse with Lucifer and Castiel. And Meg! Hi Meg! *waves again*







-Oh that's neat. Getting a kind of 'cult of personality' vibe from the Lucifer and Meg interaction there. That's kind of an interesting take on the situation. *ponders* (Also had a brief moment of wondering if Meg was getting her neck snapped there, but it would have been awkwardly sudden, and a waste of a decent, competent and apparently adoringly loyal minion on Lucifer's part. No need to sacrifice minions to solve problems yet.)



-Ooo! Castiel sees a water pipe! What worked once might work again! Yay for sneaky!Castiel! \o/







-"You have some time to change your mind." Oooo. Nice glare. Ooo. Castiel gets a lot of mileage out of very small expressions, he does.



-Jo's looking more lucid at least. Maybe it's not too bad. Though between the blood loss and the gut wound, she should be pounding back liquids at a thunderous rate, as far as my dangerously out-dated first-aid tells me.



-Eight or so Hellhounds. Hm. How does one count invisible, possibly fast-moving creatures? Maybe Sam has a sense of them with the whole demon-blood thing? In which case he should have been a better shot earlier. Hm. Maybe Meg taunted them from outside before she went to see Lucifer. "Congratulations, you got two, there's still eight left."/"Eight!?"/"Or so. *grins and heads off*" Yeah, sure. In the absence of more concrete data I can buy that. Intel gathered via taunting. *handwaves*









-You know though. Hardware store. Buckets of paint dropped from upper story windows would make those Hellhounds easier to see and subsequently shoot at. Just saying.

-Ow. Aw. Jo being realistic about her condition and the situation. And tactically intelligent, because them trying to haul her through what is essentially a warzone of Hellhounds would make it damn near impossible for them to have a chance at succeeding in this, let alone surviving. And DAMMIT ALL TO HELL KRIPKE!!! Why couldn't she have been like this the whole time? Oh right. CW wanted a perky ingenue 'love interest' instead of a kickass self-confident young woman. *beats on the CW with a large spiky club*







-Oh Ellen. Oh man. There's no way she'll... oh crap. She's not going to leave Jo. Whether she turns back at the last minute, or refuses to leave, she's not going to leave Jo is she? Not without being packed out struggling by one of the boys, or going out some other way shortly after. Aw no. Daaaaamiiiiit Kripke!!!! You know, If someone had said back close to the end of the 1/2 summer hiatus that I'd be this attached to the then-advertised 'new girls' I'd have laughed at them. But they've finally gotten Jo away from being a cardboard cutout labeled love interest and a character in her own right, and Ellen has always been just too damn awesome, and... yeah. FUCK.





-Jo coming up with the 'how to improvise a Hellhound bomb out of the contents of a hardware store' plan FTW! And the full grasp of just how screwed they are! And explaining it all to the group and making them accept it! Smart and badass! \o/ Damn it Kripke!

-"Rip those mutts a new one, or at least get you a few minutes head start anyway." Hero Jo wins. That is all. Any hunter there, or Bobby or Rufus would be doing the same thing in her situation and odds are, there'd be less argument about it. (Except for Bobby. Because, well, Bobby. Ow. *shoves thought away before it turns into an AU bunny*) Just because she's the youngest and the least experienced doesn't mean she can't be a self-sacrificing lunatic hero just as much as any of the others. And smarter and more aware of the tactical reality of the situation than anyone else there. And not be a Mary-Sue while doing it. Jo wins. And considering things I've said publicly about Jo in the past... yeah. Epic win. \o/





-[Also, on an external note (which I need to distract myself with before the wibbles get me), as I mentioned before, given where we are in the arc and the series and the overall show, it's time for an ally to die. The boys are running low on allies. I suspect by the end, the two boys may be completely alone, especially given what each side is trying to do; get them to say yes. It makes strategic sense for the sides that want their consent to strip away what little support outside each other the Winchesters have in order to make them (hypothetically) more vulnerable and more likely to acquiesce. That said, and leaving aside the "OMG DON'T KILL BOBBY OR CASTIEL (Or Chuck)!!!" factor for a minute(*meeeeeeeep*). If both or either side manages to take away the boys' support, leaving them only with each other, I firmly believe it will backfire spectacularly. Because 'each other' has always been their core support system, since the start. Now in this specific case, it had to be Jo, because she's the one they all want to protect on some level, either as someone they've sort of watched grow up since they first met her, or in Ellen's case as someone she gave birth to. (Although Ellen being the one injured and staying behind to blow shit up would have left us with a veeeeery interesting new Jo to continue on, because were their positions reversed, Ellen would never let Jo stay with her. Ooo. *shoves away another AU bunny*)]

-Oh. That broken 'no' and looking around for any kind of 'make this not have to be' option. Oh Elleeeeeeeen. *wibbles*





-"Mom. This might literally be your last chance to treat me like an adult. You might wanna take it." *flails and possibly giggles a little, but in a sad heartbroken way*







-Okay, moving on, improvised bomb-building montage FTW! Ah, MacGyverism, yay! Ouch. Iron nails and rocksalt. Briefly ouch, but messily ouch.


[Also, paint, see? But maybe Hellhounds are made of Teflon or something that paint doesn't stick to. Yeah, sure. They're from hell and shred people all the time. A non-stick coating would be handy. *handwaves*]


Love the frowns in Sam and Dean's foreheads, because while this is a kickass plan and heroic as hell, they have to be aware that they are putting together something that will kill one of the few friends they have. [Two. Two of the few friends they have. Had. *wibble*]


[*randomly notices Sam is not wearing a silver watch anymore* When did that happen? Why does no one tell me these things??]






Oh come on, use more nails than that! They're an important bomb component, not a garnish!



-"See ya on the other side." Other side. Hear that (in a few months when Australia catches up) charis_kalos? Dean now believes he'll see them again somewhere. Or at least he's saying that to Jo in a believable way. Somewhere, Pastor Jim is maybe a bit happier, yes?





-I love that they did this part of the scene with no words, just a quiet moment, with so much punch.













-Aw. Little sister kiss. Awww, not-so-little not-sister kiss. Ow, ow, ow, OW. Dammit show! Well, that's one thing Bobby or Rufus wouldn't have gotten is a good-bye kiss. Or at least probably not one from Dean. [Not capping well due to lighting issues. Here's the best I can manage.]













-And Dean pulls away and walks away because he has to keep moving and put his walls back up or he'll just stop right there and it'll all be for naught. Aw. Aw Dean. (There's a missing scene in that. Dean's internal POV after that moment.)





-Oh Ellen. One little head shake. Yep. She's staying too. And Jo with the choked "Mom, no." Okay, you got me, show. I'm wibbly and sniffly now. Dammit.







-Sam and Dean seem rather unstartled by this choice of Ellen's. Or it's shock. [Sam looks over toward Dean and down. I don't think he knew. Dean looks more and more crushed (not that that's easy to see in the lighting there) so I'd say Ellen didn't say anything to either of them beforehand. It caught Sam flat-footed which is why he looks to Dean to see if he knew. Dean might have on some level suspected Ellen might do this, but not on any level he was willing to consider being a reality.]



-Even if they could likely find a way to jury-rig the whole damn thing so that Jo could open the door and break the salt-line and open the doors without getting up, Ellen wouldn't leave. I'm not a parent myself, but I have it on pretty good authority that no parent wants to out-live their child.

-And it doesn't help that Jo has the single tear thing down pat either. Gaaah.

-"I will not leave you here alone." Gaaaaaah. *wibbles* Dammit show!

-Sam with the quiet "Dean," with the unspoken "we can't let Ellen do this," hoping or expecting that they'll stop her somehow. Dean looking just utterly shattered, with a quiet querying "Ellen...?". [In the half-lit gloom so it doesn't cap well.]



-But of course, no one stops Ellen from doing something when she's got her mind made up, and she doesn't need permission or a by-your-leave from anyone to be a self-sacrificing lunatic hero, just like her daughter. Harvelles. Honestly.







-"Kick it in the ass." *gasps* Oh. Oh. *flat-out bawls for a few seconds* Okay. Okay. That caught me by surprise. Damn. [Jeez. Still losing it. I really bet that was ad-libbed, or suggested on set rather than written in the script. Oof. See, for the few who might not be aware, "Kick it in the ass" was director Kim Manners' signature phrase when filming. As most fans know, he had been with the show since the beginning and died last January of cancer. He would have been directing this episode had he still been alive, I suspect. Each season he got the first episode, the last episode, the problem episodes and the ginormous 'shred your soul' episodes. So that line was.... yeah. Oof. And given the location, placement, timing and situation, I suspect that line may recur in the show, possibly as a rallying cry. Oof. Still weepy. Every time I hit that part of the episode or even pass this point of the reaction while editing and it hits me again. Oof.]

-Missed parts of this first time around because I was crying too hard. Gaaah. Nothing like an unexpected real heart-wrench in the middle of a fictional one to throw your balance out the window. [Boys leaving quietly, Ellen opening the doors]











-Oh, Jo. She still goes first. Oh Ellen. And I kind of want to smack myself for the observation that really, for the bomb, a deadman switch (one where the bomb goes off if the switch is released rather than pressed) would have made much more sense under the circumstances.









-Also, themes of family staying together in adversity, right to the end? Check. Big time.



-And here come the Hellhounds. [Kind of interesting how in hellhound-vision, the sacks of salt almost seem to be glowing... *ponders*]



-[I find it a bit bemusing that with everything going on, Ellen took the time to put on a band-aid.]



-Hair foof. BEST SPECIAL EFFECT EVER that hair foof. A tech with a bellows is all that's needed for that special effect it's so wonderfully simple. Yay for budget-saving effects! \o/ Also GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! *Dives behind couch again due to dog issues* [It is very hard to screencap a foof. Just thought you should know that.]







-And lo, [at 32:19 into the episode] Kripke sayeth "What? There are kickass secondary characters that fans like who are still alive? I must rectify this immediately!" and lo, their asses were smote. Or were they? Hm. Having Jo or Ellen show up later as demon-puppets would be possible if Meg [or one of the plethora of other demons in the vicinity] was super-speedy... but... damn it, Kripke. Well, who knows. Maybe they'll start haunting the boys if the two of them get out of line. Or what the hell, time travel. Yeah. It could happen. Who's left of Winchester allies now? Chuck (sort of), Rufus (maybe), Bobby (of course), Castiel. Kripke's running out of awesome secondary characters to kill. *is nervous again some more*

-HOLY CRAP! Nothing like an explosion to make you realize how rarely this show really gets to blow shit up. o.O


[Kudos to whoever did the window painting on the hardware store; the store name stayed intact on the camera side of the explosion for a considerably longer time than one might expect for something on glass in an explosion.]




[Ooo. Hard to cap or see, but on the top-side angle of the explosion, you can see the shockwave go outward along the brick wall of the building, shaking it. That is not a CGI explosion, folks. The FX crew got to play.]


[Oh Deeeeeean. Oh Saaaaaam.]




[Hellhounds bad, fire pretty. Sorry, sorry, I'll go stand in the corner.]


[And 'oh Dean' again some more. The episode tags and missing scenes and internal perspective fics generated from this episode are going to be absolute killers.]




[Scuse me a second, I need to rehydrate and blow my nose. Okay, that's better.]

-Show needs to blow more shit up (except not with people I like inside again, ever, thank you). Because aside from the soul-wrenching heroic death, that was awesome! Well the soul-wrenching heroic death was awesome too, but in more of an 'awe and shock and tragedy' sense and less of a 'bouncing up and down in the chair while things go foom all over the place' sense. Jo really knew how to build a kickass improvised bomb. *misses her some more*

-Sam and Dean lurking in shrubbery! Haven't had that in a while.



-"Last words?"/"I think I'm good."/"Yeah, me too." No you aren't. Whatever it is, say it. TALK TO YOUR BROTHER, DAMMIT!!!! Both of you! Although yeah, extended conversations while lurking in the shrubbery and trying to get the drop on Satan are neither tactically wise nor practically feasible, so you get a pass on this one. Also...? *looks at what they just said* there's a kind of double-meaning there, isn't there? The boys are good. Not bad for last words, except they totally aren't going to be last words because it's too early in the season.









-I REALLY WANT THE INCIDENTAL MUSIC/SOUNDTRACK! OMG! The martial, drummy, lurky thing there needs to be in my soundtrack rotation, like now.

-Odd that Lucifer is manually digging alone with a shovel when a) he's got an army of people standing around watching, and b) he's Lucifer and could probably access better ways of doing the heavy lifting.

-"Hey!" You know Sam, sneaking up on people goes better when you don't shout at them. Unless... ah. Dean's doing the sneaking. You're a distraction. For Lucifer. Who wants to use you as a Vessel. Oh shit. Saaaaam!

-"You know I'd never hurt you. Not really." Just vaporize your soul when I take you over. Won't hurt at all. Pft.



-Aaaaand Satan gets a bitchface. \o/ Less the eye-rolly type and more the 'give me an excuse to kick your ass' type.



-DEAN!!! JUST SHOOT HIM, DEAN!!!! Honestly, I just had this discussion with Sam about the element of surprise not really working if you announce your presence. Except this is only episode ten of the season and this is totally not going to work and OMG. It's the Colt, with re-engineered bullets and he's Michael's vessel so you'd think that's be worth a bonus point or two, but this so very totally isn't going to work if he gets the shot off is it? Crap crap crap. Eeeeee...





-["So suck it," says Dean and shoots Lucifer in the face. HA! Missed that line the first time around.]

-No flash. He didn't flash. Oh crap, you guys they shot Lucifer with the Colt and he didn't flash! Not like that's really a surprise, but still, eeeeeeeek! o.O



-Lucifer going "Owwwwwww!" like he's stubbed his toe (after getting shot in the head with the Colt) will never not be funny. Even though it means the boys are screwed.


And these are their 'we're screwed' faces.





-Owwwwwwww, Dean! [Dean does not cap well while flying into trees] And now Lucifer'll threaten Dean and Sam will cave, right? Except Castiel and Meg are still around somewhere and.... arg! *jumps around nervously during commercial break*

-One of five things the gun can't kill. (Okay, so the Hellhounds must die invisibly without a fuss or flash then. Guessing that that five things doesn't include things that can't die.) So him and the Four Horsemen? Hm. Oh crap. The holy-oil fire ring thing or one of the angel swords should work on Lucifer (being an angel, etc) but what the hell are the boys gonna do to get rid of the Horsemen? Well, they did deal with War Colt-free so there are options... Hm. I really want to know what happened to War's ring. [Lucifer has to be somehow different than the angels then, because there's more than five angels running around, no matter how many Zachariah sent on suicide missions during the 'attempt to save the 66 seals'. Also guessing God's exempt from everything, personified or not personified, so he/she/it/they/other/column Q/etc can't be killed by the Colt either, but isn't included in the count. Or Lucifer's being snippy and not including God as unkillable by Colt just because he's feeling tetchy.]

-How much do I love that Sam jitters while Lucifer is talking, looking back and forth to where Dean landed, and looking miserable and goes to check on Dean the second big L turns his back? Go ahead, guess how much. \o/









-"Don't suppose you'd yes right here and now, end this whole tiresome discussion?" Casual!Lucifer is extra creepy. Especially with all the random people who are either enthralled or possessed standing around.



-[OMG you guys, Sam's checking Dean's pulse! He thought Dean might really be dead! OMG. *flails* o.O]



-"It's never gonna happen!" Ooooo. I don't even know quite what to call that vocal tone there. But it's awesome. [Also, from earlier notes about facial shadows and ambivalence, this is about as evenly lit as Sam's been his entire episode. No ambivalence there. But we knew that.]



-Within six months. In Detroit. Oh, wow. Big L's got a line to the future too, somewhere? Six months (if show time is about current and remains so), puts us conveniently May-ish, yes? ...eeeeek. How's that in lieu of a 'SOON' (that I would have avoided anyway)? O.O

-Heeee! Lucifer is the anti-Yoda. "Give in to anger you must, the Dark Side it feeds." Although I suppose that would really be Palpatine, but I'm finding it more amusing to think of Mark Pellegrino speaking in Yoda-ese. Yeah, Kripke's a Star Wars fanboy. Bet he plays the RPG and has a character sheet for Sam, just to keep track of his Dark Force points. *nods*



-The able-bodied men get possessed, everyone else just gets ganked and turfed into a giant pit, hunh? Ouch. Kind of a debate as to which group is really better off there. :-/



-"These Horsemen are so demanding." Ah, that explains why Lucifer's doing the digging himself. It must be a somatic component of the ritual. *nods* Ooo. Also Nick's voice is starting to leak through Lucifer a little here and there. Ooo. *ponders*

-'He called me freak, monster, and then he beat me down.' Stop listening to Satan, Sam. He'll tell you what will make you lean his way, and it might be the truth, but it's not the whole truth. Manipulation, pure and simple. Wannabe puppet-masters, Lucifer and Zachariah both are, in a way. (See also altered phone calls and entities whose idea of persuasion includes fatal diseases and removal of vital organs.)





-"You'll have to excuse me, midnight is calling." Gotta love an adversary character who not only says cheesy things occasionally, he knows he says cheesy things and deliberately makes them cheesier.



-"To Ra Zo Du Zo Da Mo Na" Hee. So... Death is a Judoon? I mean I figured we wouldn't get the classic skeleton, cowl and horse named Binky, but having Death be an interstellar mercenary law-enforcement rhinoceros might be a bit much crack for this show... XD

-Unified speaking! Demons popping like popcorn! OMG. Wow. That's. WOW. o.O So the demons possessing the people made the willing sacrifice, wonder how informed it was? "Just say what I say when I tell you to say it, the meat-suit will die, and all's well. And then there will be delicious cake!" Though with the cult of personality thing Lucifer has going on, maybe they were willing, knowing sacrifices too. Hm.





-Also, not a lot of able-bodied men per capita in Carthage Missouri for a city with a population of over 12,000. I could say something sarcastic about the American health-care system here, but since I'm not American, that wouldn't be very nice. Also I don't really do politics. Hm. Maybe Lucifer's been getting them to do this in batches of a hundred or so, and this is just the last batch? Would make it slightly easier to manage the disposal and burial. The slightly more disconcerting option is these are all the ones he needed to complete the ritual, and the rest are now free-range minions. Yeah. So, if you meet any able-bodied men from Carthage, Missouri, splash holy water on them as soon as you're in range. *nods and handwaves*

-"They're just demons." *nods* Crowley was right about that then. Still not sure if he was a dupe or an unwitting pawn though. Hope we find out.

-Hi Castiel! How's that water pipe going? Meg, you're looking delightfully batshit fervent.





-"Cloud-hopping pansies." Hee. Meg's awesome. And yep, Big L is after Heaven. Or at least that's what he's telling the rank and file. *nods*

-[*is fascinated by the close-up of Castiel's hand* Sorry, sorry, moving on... Although this is a third example of subtle hand motions in this episode, because he was twitching it a bit while talking before. Nifty! It's a visual theme!]



-Oooo. Out Crowley as a possible dissident, in order to try to get Meg to defect. Which really, she might. She was calling Azazel father at one point, at another she said something about not giving a crap about her father's plan, now she's gone all 'cult of personality' over Big L. I think her allegiances are shifty. Meg is on Meg's side and this devotion to Lucifer without question is a bit... hm. If it can be sufficiently proven to her that it isn't in her best interests, she might turn on him. Hm. Regardless, Yay for Castiel attempting to spread dissent among Lucifer's ranks while simultaneously unscrewing the pipe so he can escape and help! WAY TO MULTI-TASK, CASTIEL!! \o/





-"Your God might be a deadbeat, but mine walks the Earth." Ooo. Well-deserved glare from Castiel. That's his Daddy/Mommy/Progenitor you're talking about.





-Yay, Castiel got the pipe free and... no water. Or flame-dousing liquid of any kind. CRAP!!! But now he has Meg.... hm.







-Ooo. Power failure. Oh Castiel. I'm actually glad he didn't burn out Meg just yet though. Meg's awesome.







-...Are they aiming for a kiss? Okay, I guess maybe if a palm to the forehead isn't enough for an exorcism, maybe a kiss would work, because he's still an angel, connected or no, and a kiss from an angel has got to do something to a demon. Although that would be horribly, horribly trite.



-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH okay, that was unexpected and awesome. Can't get water to put out the fire? Use the tools at hand. In this case, the tool at hand is an evil smoke cloud wearing what is probably already a corpse, given Meg's been wearing this body a few months now. The demon totally counts as a tool. *handwaves* Castiel is hardcore. I cheered. There needs to be more Castiel vs. Meg.





-HEE! Yeah. There's a Horseman of the Apocalypse about to erupt, the ground's shaking and Castiel is employing the highly advanced stealth technique of going 'shh'. Heeee! \o/



-Evacuation by Castiel. Too late for Ellen and Jo, although time travel or haunting is still within the realm of possibility. I wonder if Castiel can still time travel, or if he's cut off from that too. Hm. If he can still t-port, he's still ignoring several laws of physics, and instantaneous motion is already kind of trans-relativistic, so.... hm. Interesting. I wonder if ... hm. *nudges the thought into the bunny pen* Anyway, observer effect and subsequent events mean the explosion itself can't be stopped, but if Castiel still has (or regains) the power of time travel in future, he could pop in and blip them both out just before the explosion, and they could get Jo to a decent hospital etc. since no one directly observed their deaths. *nods* Yeah. Not going to happen outside of fic I'm guessing, but what the hell. That's what fic is for.

-"Well helloooooo Death!" Hee. Death is either tall, or hovering, or has a really huge horse (named Binky! Please???). Except it won't be a horse. Hee. A white Ford Pinto on monster truck wheels maybe. *nods*



-Hm. Much as I'm fond of the idea of Big L getting a redemption arc, with invitations of 'repent and be forgiven' etc., I'm starting to think he really doesn't want one.

-Drinks. Many many drinks. Yes. A wake is entirely appropriate.



-Oooo. Storms, tornados, natural disasters, yike. Yiiiiiiiike. o.O Marriot, Fetterville and Carthage are having states of emergency. [In Paulding county. I thought that last link said Carthage was in Jasper County? *re-googles* Carthage Missouri is in Jasper County... Did they say it was Carthage, Missouri? Yeah, it was the one with the battle fro the American civil war... Paulding County is in Georgia. Or Ohio. There's more than one. *headdesk* I'm trying to make show geography work again. That way lies insanity. Although the miniscule number of able-bodied men in Carthage would make much more sense if it was a flyspeck municipality. Except there's the battle and... I need a drink.] That's huge, and that's just a start. From what we've seen of time travel mechanics in the series to dat again, the observer effect will keep them from fixing that regardless of whether they can pop back in time or not. So OUCH. Sorry Carthage and surrounding area. Also gah.

-Why burn the photo though... oh. Oh. It's the only memorial service they can have. And I guess Ellen and Jo are rather thoroughly salted and burned, so no haunting. Dammit! Oh. Oh. Is that why Bobby takes the pictures, to have something left behind to have this sort of memorial? Because OWWWWWWWW.









-Oh god, and the music as the photo is burning is a variation on Dean's family theme. Gaaaah. *flappy* Oh Dean. Oh boys. All of them. OW.



Right. Alla y'all who wanted more apocalypse and less crack, I hope you're happy. I know I am, and I liked the crack just fine too.


This was the last new episode until some time in January 14th, I believe, 21st according to my sources. In the meantime, among many many other things, I have a burning need to hunt up my copy of "Good Omens" and re-read it for the billionth time.


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pinkphoenix1985 From: pinkphoenix1985 Date: November 26th, 2009 12:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
great review! just popping in to let you know that CW moved the airing back a week so we're getting it on January 21st...

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caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 26th, 2009 06:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
Fixed, thanks for the head's up. I think I'll be watching on the 14th too, in case they screwed up their sheduling.
tigriswolf From: tigriswolf Date: November 26th, 2009 04:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
I've actually started a fic about the five things the Colt can't kill; my list is God, Lucifer, Michael, Azrael(the angel of death I use in fics), and Jesus.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 26th, 2009 06:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
Interesting... look forward to reading that. :-)
claudiapriscus From: claudiapriscus Date: November 26th, 2009 05:20 pm (UTC) (Link)
"-Odd that Lucifer is manually digging alone with a shovel when a) he's got an army of people standing around watching, and b) he's Lucifer and could probably access better ways of doing the heavy lifting."


My theory: He realized how cool Sam and Dean look while desecrating graves, and decided that "grave digging" was a good look on him.

My other theory: The 6 months/detroit thing is because Lucifer is planning Sam a birthday party. It's definitely not going to be anything heart wrenching, angsty, or uber depressing. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 26th, 2009 06:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
My theory: He realized how cool Sam and Dean look while desecrating graves, and decided that "grave digging" was a good look on him.

Hee! I figure that it's part of the ritual that the enacter of it as to do all the digging himself, which is why Death doesn't get raised that often.

My other theory: The 6 months/detroit thing is because Lucifer is planning Sam a birthday party. It's definitely not going to be anything heart wrenching, angsty, or uber depressing. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Yep, of course it's going to be linked to Sam's birthday. So many things are on this show. :-)
seergirl From: seergirl Date: November 26th, 2009 05:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
actually I was perfectly happy with crack. I wanted the apocalypse to never happen, or for like Jesse to Anti-Christ ex machina the whole thing. I wanted Dean and Sam to find wives and have babies and never have to worry about anything more complicated then a salt and burn ever again. I want peace, and good men to have happy endings. But that doesn't happen does it? We always knew this story was going to end sadly, it was just a matter of how sadly. No one wants an apocalypse, they just expect one.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 26th, 2009 06:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
I wasn't saying everyone was, just that those that I had seen who were going "Where's the Apocalypse??" might be regretting it now. :-)
percysowner From: percysowner Date: November 26th, 2009 07:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm not sure Crowley is a confederate or a dupe. The Colt has been billed as the gun that can kill anything (except when it doesn't - see Tammy in MM). I think it has been able to kill everything we have seen up until now, vampires, demons, etc. BUT with the Apocalypse things are being raised that no one ever tried to kill before. Lucifer was buried so deeply that many demons thought he was a myth, and certainly no one had ever tried the Colt on him before. I like Crowley (and I hope he finds a nice Bentley to driver), so I think he was saying what he believed was true, that the Colt could kill Lucifer. It just didn't live up to its publicity. My guess as to some of the things it can't kill include types of things; Angels (including Lucifer), the 4 horsemen (as a group), The Anti-Christ, and of course God. I admit I can't come up with a number 5, but it may be the intended vessels for Lucifer and Michael.

I hope we see Crowley again, because I really, really want an ambiguous demon to be recurring on the show and I love Mark Sheppard.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 27th, 2009 12:17 am (UTC) (Link)
My guess as to some of the things it can't kill include types of things; Angels (including Lucifer), the 4 horsemen (as a group), The Anti-Christ, and of course God.

Interesting possibility. Hadn't thought of the five things as other than individuals.

I hope we see Crowley again, because I really, really want an ambiguous demon to be recurring on the show and I love Mark Sheppard.

Oh absolutely. Given how many things he's been in I've probably seen him in something before, but yeah, he can definitely come back. He did really well with the character. *nods*
ciaranbochna From: ciaranbochna Date: November 26th, 2009 11:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
Also wondering where Lucifer's ring is. And there must be Binky and either Sandman or Pratchett Death reference, oh please? I am going to go re-read my research and hide in the corner so no one can see my wibbling:P I was vaguely wondering if Metatron would show,since he is one of the angel of death references I found besides Azrael. I should just stop speculating(that way madness lies) and read. Also, please more Crowley:)

btw your review was brilliant and brought up all the sniffling again..lol

Hugs

Edited at 2009-11-26 11:56 pm (UTC)
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 27th, 2009 12:22 am (UTC) (Link)
Also wondering where Lucifer's ring is.

War's ring you mean? Lucifer's got a ring, but that's Nick's wedding ring.

And there must be Binky and either Sandman or Pratchett Death reference, oh please?

There absolutely must be, especially with Crowley around.

I was vaguely wondering if Metatron would show,since he is one of the angel of death references I found besides Azrael.

Metatron? The only thing I know about him is from "Dogma" There was something about one of the other angels being death somewhere, but the Boss just walked in so I'm not about to haul up the research sites. XD
blackcat333_99 From: blackcat333_99 Date: November 27th, 2009 02:01 am (UTC) (Link)
Re: the boys' accepting Ellen's final choice to stay. Yes, I'd say that Dean especially kinda saw it coming, though he wished otherwise. But he's been there, back in Croatoan, back in that locked room. It's why he knew Ellen couldn't be disuaded and so didn't try.

Re: Redemption and Lucifer -- I agree that L isn't looking like a possible candidate. You have to want it and seek it in order to earn it. L isn't interested in doing that. He's only interested in continuing on the same path that got him locked up in Hell in the first place. No lesson learned at all.

Also: Pride (towering arrogance) on full display here. He had Dean right in front of him -- MICHAEL'S VESSEL -- and he doesn't kill him? Because he cannot conceive that Dean is really important enough to actually factor in? Because Dean's just a Joe Normal pawn (squishable human) in Lucifer's book? (Apparently the same book Dean's been reading from, hmm.)

Everybody plays a fool.

Even Lucifer.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 27th, 2009 03:34 am (UTC) (Link)
*nods vehemently along with everything you said*

Everybody plays a fool.

Even Lucifer.


Definitely.
malevolent73 From: malevolent73 Date: November 27th, 2009 06:48 am (UTC) (Link)
Minor things:

I totally thought Jo was Bela at the beginning too.

You got wibbly and sniffly? I was bawling like a baby, Girl. You are stronger than I.

And I immediately pictured Death as him.

Major things: I still can't brain this ep properly and every review I read gets me weepy again. Yours was epically awesome though. I can't imagine what the first one was like and am sad that it was lost.

BTW, if you happen to come across a fic where they escape, let me know. :)
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 27th, 2009 07:03 am (UTC) (Link)
I totally thought Jo was Bela at the beginning too.

I know, I thing besides the dress and the hairstyle, her hair was a shade or two darker.

You got wibbly and sniffly? I was bawling like a baby, Girl. You are stronger than I.

I think because I suspected it was coming before it actually happened while watching the episode I had kind of steeled myself for it. The 'kick it in the ass' line reduced me to abject sobbing for a considerable while though, and still gets me.

And I immediately pictured Death as him.

I'm not sure why, but I never really got into Highlander:the Series. It has all the earmarks of a series I should like (epic, swords, filmed in Vancouver, heck one of the guys in the group I went to cons with in the 90's worked on set sometimes.) but... I don't know. I think it wasn't available on the channels I got or something. That bit on Methos is cool though. Peter Wingfield is probably way out of Show's budgetary range, but that would be cool.

Yours was epically awesome though. I can't imagine what the first one was like and am sad that it was lost.

I think this is better than what was lost, in that between typing the first one and losing it and typing this one, I had more of a chance to process and notice details.

BTW, if you happen to come across a fic where they escape, let me know. :)

It's in the bunny corral but not active. This episode has spawned 3 active plot-bunnies and about 12 inactive ones all on top of the crazy piles of everything I was already doing. o.O
etoile444 From: etoile444 Date: November 27th, 2009 04:20 pm (UTC) (Link)
Excellent! Love all your thoughts!
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 27th, 2009 04:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thanks!
irismay42 From: irismay42 Date: November 27th, 2009 11:23 pm (UTC) (Link)
You know all the way through this ep I was thinking, "Why the hell wasn't Edlund writing Jo in season 2?" She was everything she always had the potential to be in this episode - and I think what Alona expected her to be when she initially took the role. For Kripke to gank her now? And ELLEN TOO??? Yep, totally agree with you, they're gradually stripping away the boys' allies (can't kill Bobby or Cas, so stick one in a wheelchair and 'neuter' the other) until, presumably, Dean feels he's got no other choice than to say 'yes' to Michael.

Loved every scene Lucifer was in - Mark Pellegrino kicked ass, particularly in the scenes with Castiel. But didn't you think the scenes where Cas was stuck in the fire circle and Meg was standing with her back to the wall exhorting the fabulousness out of Lucifer were a reversal of the scenes in Sin City where Casey's in the devil's trap and Dean's standing against the wall while she's telling him demon Sunday School tales about Lucifer's return? Very nice.

Oh and the "kick it in the ass" line? Samantha Ferris said it was one of the crew suggested it to her and she just threw it in there. Very apt, considering what was going to happen to the Harvelles.

I loved Crowley too! Mark Sheppard's actually English, but he does a lot of Irish accented roles, so I wasn't entirely sure which accent he was going for here! His dad was in the new Star Trek movie (Vulcan Science Academy dude). Thought you'd appreciate geek trivia!
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 28th, 2009 03:23 am (UTC) (Link)
But didn't you think the scenes where Cas was stuck in the fire circle and Meg was standing with her back to the wall exhorting the fabulousness out of Lucifer were a reversal of the scenes in Sin City where Casey's in the devil's trap and Dean's standing against the wall while she's telling him demon Sunday School tales about Lucifer's return? Very nice.

Yep. Show is full of little parallels like that.

Samantha Ferris said it was one of the crew suggested it to her and she just threw it in there.

Thought so. Wonder what the people checking the dailies thought? *hugs the whole show and production crew*
erinrua From: erinrua Date: November 28th, 2009 01:57 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm gonna have to buy and read "Good Omens." That's all there is to that. ;-)

Also, I LOVE this review THIS much. *waves arms* Your words and observations coupled with the pictures from every crucial moment - gah. I am ded all over again. Thank you SO much for doing this! In two parts, no less! Double the goodness ... ;-)

Seriously, I loved this ep so much, and to revisit it this way is just a (tragic, heartbreaking) delight. *SMISH!*
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 28th, 2009 03:30 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm gonna have to buy and read "Good Omens." That's all there is to that. ;-)

Dooooo eeeeeeet!!! Seriously. It's an awesome book, Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman getting together and doing the Apocalypse. It is both epic and cracky.

Seriously, I loved this ep so much, and to revisit it this way is just a (tragic, heartbreaking) delight. *SMISH!*

Aww, thanks! I doubt I'll go this extreme in future reaction posts as this thing took over my entire week and kept me up until weird o'clock am every worknight trying to finish it, but I'm glad you enjoyed it. :-)
geckoholic From: geckoholic Date: November 28th, 2009 09:27 am (UTC) (Link)
This is pure gold. Interesting, funny, sad, and all that. *was entertained* Thank you!
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 28th, 2009 07:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thank you! Happy to be entertaining. :-)
aescu From: aescu Date: November 28th, 2009 09:57 am (UTC) (Link)
-And getting down to business. Ritual. Reapers. OH YEAH! DEATH! THE ONE WITH THE SICKLE ALASTAIR BORROWED! \o/ Woot! Pale rider on a pale horse, come on down! *dances* I wish they could make a Pratchett reference for Death. I rather hope they'll manage to wedge in a line to the effect of "What where you expecting? A skeleton in a robe riding a horse called Binky?" when Death is actually seen. Probably not this episode, too soon. If not, then I hope Death is a girl with an ankh...
Whatever Death is, he/she/it is HUGE

-Oh, Jo. She still goes first. Oh Ellen. And I kind of want to smack myself for the observation that really, for the bomb, a deadman switch (one where the bomb goes off if the switch is released rather than pressed) would have made much more sense under the circumstances.
That's exactly what my husband said as I pointed out that Jo died before she could blow the hellhounds to pieces and therefore Ellen *had* to stay with her. I believe a deadman switch would have been much harder to improvise with the things they found inside the store. At least that's my explanation ;)

-Odd that Lucifer is manually digging alone with a shovel when a) he's got an army of people standing around watching, and b) he's Lucifer and could probably access better ways of doing the heavy lifting.
I too was wondery why the freaking DEVIL diggs a hole when there are many demons standing around, watching. It looks strange and Lucifer's vessel is already damaged. Should he really do the hard work and not go easy or something?

-Unified speaking! Demons popping like popcorn! OMG. Wow. That's. WOW. o.O So the demons possessing the people made the willing sacrifice, wonder how informed it was? "Just say what I say when I tell you to say it, the meat-suit will die, and all's well. And then there will be delicious cake!" Though with the cult of personality thing Lucifer has going on, maybe they were willing, knowing sacrifices too. Hm.
I was thinking about that, too. I believe the sacrifices are willing because the Demons are just standing there, unmoving while their brothers explode. The could flee (I just assume that they are not helt in place by some mind-thing of Lucifer's) but they don't.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 28th, 2009 07:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
I believe a deadman switch would have been much harder to improvise with the things they found inside the store. At least that's my explanation ;)

Button on floor, weight held above it. Weight falls when person can't hold it anymore. (see Terminator 2). or, since targetting might be an issue with a small button, flat metal plate on a non-conductive floor mat, wire to complete circuit held above. Or one of the many spring-loaded tools in a hardware store held gripped, keeping the circuit apart, circuit closes when grip is released.

Of course it all needed to be timed for when the Hounds came in, so a deanman switch wouldn't have helped. Someone needed to be concious to set it off at the right time. If Ellen hadn't been there, I think Jo would have lived long enough. She blew her Will roll at the last second to stay concious because she knew Ellen was there. If she'd been alone, she would have been a lot more intent on staying long enough to complete the task.

Should he really do the hard work and not go easy or something?

Like I said above, I figure part of the ritual is that the caster has to do the labour manually themself as a somatic component to the spell. Otherwise it wouldn't work.
maychorian From: maychorian Date: November 29th, 2009 08:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
Ah, awesome. I wouldn't let myself read this until I finished my review (which was written at the speed of snail, I think). Loved your thinkiness and flailing.

Love your geekiness, too. Order of the Stick FTW! And yes, yes, it was totally a somatic component to the spell, and Lucifer doesn't have the right feats to leave it out. (Probably all the metamagic ones like maximize and stuff instead.) :D
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 29th, 2009 08:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
Love your geekiness, too. Order of the Stick FTW! And yes, yes, it was totally a somatic component to the spell, and Lucifer doesn't have the right feats to leave it out. (Probably all the metamagic ones like maximize and stuff instead.) :D

Lucifer is probably the hugest Munchkin ever, but only in certain areas and his charisma is totally not a dump stat. XD
lusciniate From: lusciniate Date: November 30th, 2009 07:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
Firstly: thanks for the previous episodes reaction post. It made me think more about the whole episode and change a some opinions. And I loved to be able to change them, so thanks for that! [ and for plot-hole patching as well. I somewhere read that it depends on the people how they choose to fill up those holes - and I liked your way :) ]

Secondly: thank you..
I think I have managed to get get a bit on the nerves of almost all my friends. Why - asking around about that more than once mentioned book - Good omens. Sadly all that wasn't even productive.

Lastly - all your reviews are so awesome!
In the first par that Terminator/Sam eye thing - don't know how did you spotted something like that, but when pointed out - that's scary.

well imo those horsemen probably should be taken as a group [ it leaves more room for the writers to add more stuff the Colt won't be able to kill], but I wouldn't be surprised if e.g. only Death would be unkillable (? can you write like that?) by the Colt, but the other three would die if touched by those bullets.

Edited at 2009-11-30 07:15 pm (UTC)
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: December 1st, 2009 01:58 am (UTC) (Link)
Aw, thanks! Happy that you're enjoying them! :-)

well imo those horsemen probably should be taken as a group

That is making more and more sense to me. The Colt was built by a human being after all and it makes sense that it just plain can't kill some of the big stuff.
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