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Reaction: Supernatural 6.03 and picspam
This weekend got taken over by Canadian Thanksgiving and family crap, and trips to the mechanic and the dentist and insistent Sherlock bunnies and in short, holy crap it's nearly Friday again and I haven't got a picspam up yet! *facepalm*

Contains profanity and speculation and about five different spellings of one name, probably.



Things I know about 6.03

-Castiel's back in this episode. WOOHOO! No surprise he's back; there would have been a lot more howling in fandom over the hiatus if he wasn't. As I said in earlier speculation, I suspect that cleaning house in Heaven is turning out to be more than a one-angel job and he'll be coming to the boys for help of some kind in some way. Or maybe hiding out from the archangels who can't be too thrilled about little punk formerly-almost-human Castiel trying to step in and shake things up, no matter what side of the Apocalypse they were on.

-Title: "The Third Man." Heh. If they're drawing anything from the plot of the 1949 movie of the same name, things could get very... hmmm.... Can't see Castiel in the Harry Lime position though. Maybe it's another angel, and Castiel is Calloway, with Dean and Sam as Martins, sort of? *ponders*

(added after it turned out to happen this ep.)
-Castiel will destroy Sam's car. So... what, a literal kind of 'Fall' or is this a 'Thou shalt have no other vehicle before the Impala' kind of thing? If the latter, I do believe I approve.


General Spec

-Third and fourth episodes of this series tend to be where season arc reveals and complications start popping up, so I'm expecting something of the sort from this one.


Let's go!


Picspam Reaction, with speculation and randomness for Supernatural 6.03 - The Third Man

Indeed!


-Avoided most of the spoiler parts of the promo except half a screen of a split second of that holy oil fire and Raphael, so he's back too, cool.

-Officer Go-Squish. Ewwwww. Dammit Supernatural, I had spaghetti for dinner! Although really I suppose I should know better by now.
Photo 1


-Dean's in bed with Lisa- ah, it's a dream. And now there's dream-nookie. *hides face in collar*

-Hey it's that pull-off! The location, it's the same one from Salvation and also Sam's 'I've got Demon blood in me, Dean, I'm a whole new level of freak' speech and a few other times. Foliage has grown a bit, glad the use as a film location isn't hurting the flora.
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-Hey, Sam's half-naked and flexing and challenging the flesh-tone capacities of my TV! *waves hi to Sera Gamble before hiding in shirt collar again*
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-Sam? Hooker? Really? WTF? Something is wrong there.
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-Heh. Burger Heaven. Subtle.
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-Speed trap cop is an ass. Betting he'll be dead soon.
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-Yup. Nasty.
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-Awwwww. Long-distance-parent!Dean. I very much like that he's being involved in Ben's life too, and not just as 'the guy who's with Mom'.
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-"Still drivin' the plastic piece of crap, hunh?"/"What's your mileage again?" Hee! *Big grin*

-It's the boys music! The semi-wacky 'working a case boys' music! Yay! It's been ages since we had that, or at least it feels like it! \o/

-Dead guy lost weight post-mortem. He looks a little desiccated.
Photo 10


-Case discussion! Theory back and forthing! OMGYAAAAAY! *starry-eyes*

-CAR VS CAR!!!!! "I was kicking your ass!" So much glee!
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-Just because I haven't noted it yet this season, stripey ties, with stripes going opposite directions. I really wonder if there isn't some kind of tie-stripe code going on indicating whether Sam and Dean are... aligned? Hm. Not the right word, but yeah. *ponders*
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-"God will be satisfied." Oh dear.

-Christopher Birch, kid with no face, and they planted a gun on him.... Oh you bastards.

-"My head's been itching like a dirty jock." Those are some woeful last words there. Not that this guy is a prince among men.

-Crickets- Oh, locusts. Biblical plagues, then? I guess the first h=one would have been blood, though really it was more liquefaction than blood. Plague's gotta move with the times. *nods*
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-Praying to call Castiel. *facepalm* And the sound went muddy so I couldn't tell what Dean was saying there, [*rofl on rewatch* yeah, not a standard prayer, that] but I guess cell phone reception's pretty crappy in Heaven.
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-HI CASTIEL! *waves*
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-"Dean and I do share a more profound bond." True, that whole handprint, pulled his soul out of Hell and reconstituted his body from a four-months-buried-corpse thing, and the subsequent Team Free Will stuff, although Dean looks disconcerted regardless.
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-Castiel has no idea? Angels in general have no idea who brought him back...? I think? Sound still muddy but he looks pretty clueless. [Yep. Hm. Not that that implies much given the current state of factions etc in Heaven, communications are likely mangled at the very least.]

-"You call it the Staff of Moses." New magic item! Staff of Moses. Seriously? Okay then!

-"I think we can rule Moses out as a suspect." Oh Castiel. Never ever change.

-Disco stick.... Hey... Is that some kind of a fandom shout-out? I think I recall something about Castiel and Karaoke from a year or so ago.

-Wahey! eilonwy! Spiky clock! Possibly the first time this season?
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-"A number of powerful weapons were stolen." Oh greaaaaaat. Factions, power struggle in Heaven, and the armories been raided by entities unknown. Yep, Castiel's asking for help, or if he's not, he should be. [Of course, now I'm hoping for some form of Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch reference somewhere down the line.]
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-Air quotes! Who taught the angel how to do air quotes and when? XD
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-"I have spent the last year as a multidimensional wavelength of celestial intent." WOO!!! Oh lots of fun stuff in that little comment isn't there. Multiple dimensions for one, yay! Wonder if Jimmy's still around through all that, or if he got a year off, or if he's moved on, or what.

-Oh. So the framed dead kid was black. Yeah. Not feeling too sorry for the three dead cops. *glares*
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-Aha, A little brother. Betting it's him.
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-"You smote them with the Staff of Moses." Yeah, keep on freaking the mundanes, Castiel. :-)

-Yep, it's him. A sawed-off Staff of Moses. *snerk*
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-"I bought it." Oh shit. Crowley? Is Crowley pretending to be an angel now?

-"Portability." *snerk* Castiel seems to be back at 100% as far as mad angel skillz are concerned. Also, none of them are going to erm, 'poop for a week' was it?
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-"You're gonna torture a kid?"/"I can't care about that, Dean. I don't have the luxury." nods* Pragmatism. Really, it's a non-permanent pain that's being inflicted on the kid to try to find out who he sold his soul to and maybe even get it back, so I hate to sound cruel, but I'm on Castiel and Sam's side here. Temporary pain for lasting benefit, like surgery. Kid needs his soul replaced.
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-Although, GAAAAAH!! O.O
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-Balthazar? ... Wasn't he one of the Three Wise Men?

-[Ah, okay, the sound was muddy on the original watch so I wasn't sure who the angel that shows up was working for. Much less confusing when the sound works.]

-Window, and... ah. That's happening this episode then. *adds death of Sam's Charger to spoiler summary* Not smited (smote? smitten?) for being a false car in the eyes of whoever... or was it? Hmm. It was an awfully convenient placement and landing. Mysterious ways and all that. This might add to the 'Metallicar is God' theories I know are out there. *ponders*
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-...is that a little bit of something like wingburn where Castiel landed? He wasn't that hurt though!
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-Civil war in Heaven. Yep. Ooo... what if Raphael brought Sam back out to... but he couldn't have because he couldn't open Lucifer's Cage. Actually, where are the Horsemen's rings now? Seems to me as soon as Sam turned up, that's the first magic item to ascertain the location of. *ponders*

-Myrrh. Heh. Was Balthazar the Wise Man that brought myrrh? It even looks like myrrh, cool. Wonder if that's an implication that this is the same Balthazar, and some angels used to be human. Hm.

-'I'm gonna need your blood' *yank* *slash* Hee! Arm would have been better, though. Less delicate muscles and nerves and so forth and a lot easier to hide under a sleeve so you don't need to track wound continuity in later scenes. Maybe we can hook Dean up with some gloves or gants or something.

-"I'm not human." Well, technically your vessel is, (maybe, it's spent a year as a waveform energy thingy, so who knows) but I'm guessing trying to keep your angel-energy-whatever's out of Jimmy's bloodstream in a specific area would be ridiculously hard and maybe traumatic for Jimmy, so cutting Dean it is then.

-Frog. Random.

-Balthazar looks very familiar, but I can't place him. [Sebastian Roché was in 24 in a couple places, and an episode of the Mentalist I remember, and in a Sherlock Holmes themed episode of CSI, and a whole bunch of other things but those are the ones I've seen, so probably I'm recognizing him from there.]
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-Ah. Frog, as in plague of frogs, (duh, silly me) writ small and rather personal. Okay, so that angel was working for Raphael, I guess, and Balthazar isn't? *beats muddy sound with Moses' disco stick*

-"This morning I had a menage a... what's French for twelve?" *facepalm* He's like a new Trickster. I think I like him.

-New rules, no destiny... ahhh. So, by exerting free will and subverting destiny, all the rules are now broken, including maybe the monster rules and who can buy a soul from who when and why? Chaos. Ooo. This could be fun.

-"Grab something valuable and fake your own death." Yeah! Can we keep Balthazar? Can he and Crowley cross paths? Like, a lot?

-"I'm really, really happy to see you, even though you still have that stick up your arse." Okay, favorite new character so far this season, which actually isn't saying much because the only other new recurring characters so far this season are the 'Campbell cousins', everyone else was intro'd in prior seasons.

-*thunderclap* "Was that you?" *snort*

-"Tell Raphael to bite me." WHEEEEEEEEEEE! Please? Can we keep him? Seriously??? *bounces*

-Either angel blade design has changed, or this particular angel's a bit thick. The blades are poky blades, not slashy blades. Holding it to someone's throat like that is useless with no edge.
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-"Peace out, douche-wad." Hee! Good to see the boys being tactical and stuff, setting traps.
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-Knife throwing, nifty! You can do that with a poky blade (if it's balanced right, and I really don't think those are but whatever. *handwaves*) although a slashy blade might be more effective.

-Ah, it's time for the angels to smack each others vessels around again some more. I'm thinking they do this to break concentration for teleporting and so forth. Or whatever. Whumpage, yay! \o/
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-WTF? OMG SALT! Pillar of salt! Like that place, with the thing! Lot's wife. Bible stuff again. Must be damp in there to make him dissolve like that, solid salt is pretty durable. Hm.... I wonder what effect salt that used to be an archangel would have in a shotgun shell? Although that's a pretty grim thought. [Ohhhh, it just did in his vessel, according to what Balthazar says. That was the one that already had his brain fried, right? Going to miss seeing Demore Barnes though, darn it!]

-And holy oil ring. Man, they really prepped this place before going in, didn't they? And They probably put rings in all the major foot traffic areas just to make sure one was there available to light up. Or Castiel, having so much experience at getting his butt kicked has learned how to lead an attacker into a trapped area while appearing to be falling in a random direction. Yeah. *handwaves*
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-"I believe the hairless ape has the floor." Hee.
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-Why didn't Balthazar saltify them all too? He's got a soft spot for Castiel['s vessel] maybe, but Sam and Dean? Hm. Maybe the... um. Salinization Stone? That glowing crystal thingy, maybe it needs a specific recharge period? Or doesn't work within a ring of holy fire, or, or- DAMMIT, I WANT STATS ON THESE NEW MAGIC ITEMS!!! INCLUDING MOSES' STAFF, SINCE BUSTNG IT UP DIDN'T DESTROY IT AND AAAAARGH!!! *casts Analyze Magic everywhere* GAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! *breathes* Sorry. Sorry. It's a gamer thing. *moves on*

-"Do you have any idea what souls are worth? What power they hold?" Oh reeeeeeeally? I am intrigued by that statement, and no doubt we will be informed of the answers to these and many more questions as the season goes on.

-Wendigo costume. Okay, Dean is officially the best dad ever. No matter what he thinks.
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-Car top conversations time.
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-"We tortured that kid to get it." Like I said, pragmatism, and as a result the kids' got his soul back and might never have to face charges on killing the three cops (who shot and killed a black kid and then planted a gun on his body) since 'I killed them with a magic stick' won't really wash as a confession. Depending how the whole afterlife judgement thing works, he might go to Hell for the murders when he dies, but since Balthazar implied that human souls are a useful trade commodity, it's doubtful Balthazar's possession of it would have given him any better chances of avoiding a nasty afterlife. So, yeah. Pragmatic, yes. Callous, maybe a little, and if it wasn't Sam talking, and, say, one of the Campbells, it wouldn't be too remarkable. But this is Sam, and Dean -- despite the 'equal partners' stuff near the end of Season 5 -- still sees Sammy, and everything that that carries with it.

-"Something's different with you, you know that." I do agree though that Sam has of course come back 'wrong' in some way, and the whole 'let the kid experience excruciating pain so we can get his soul back for him' is in some way intended as a sign of that, as is the hooker. The compulsive flexing and partial nudity might be too, because if Sera Gamble could figure out a way to make excess attention to Sam's musculature a plot point, you bet Sam's ass she would.

-"You went to Hell, Sam, and believe me I know what that does to a guy." Firstly, Sam was only down there a few days Earth time, or approximately *does math* well, about 240 days if 1 month equals 10 years per Dean's experience; not a short amount of time, but not forty years either. Secondly, Sam's experience in Hell, wasn't in Hell proper, it was in Lucifer's cage, set apart from Hell where no demon before Yellow-Eyes could get to, and nobody could open without an entire seasons worth of jumping through hoops busting seals. Lucifer and Michael and Sam and Adam were the only ones in there, and Lucifer and Michael were probably too busy fighting each other to worry about torturing Sam and Adam, making Sam (and Adam's) biggest hazard boredom. Whereas you, Dean, you were deliberately maneuvered into Hell by a sequence of Machiavellian plots specifically designed to get your soul down there to be broken and become a torturer yourself in order to break the first seal. You were tormented by Hell's best, literally. Sam's experience could not possibly be more different than yours.

-Regardless, Sam, if indeed you are Sam and not someone using him as a vessel, I call bullshit. Talk to your brother. Unbend, and let some walls down. Sometime before this series ends, I would really like to see Dean be whole and unbroken, and right now, you aren't really helping. Not that you're particularly whole either, but you are giving the outward appearance of someone rather unbothered. Not helpful.

-Dean's angst dimples are getting a real workout this season so far.
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-OH CRAP A SOON! *HIDES!!!* Whew! I escaped the Soon! \o/ Does this mean we're on hiatus now? [Guess not.]






(PLEASE, NO SPOILERS OR REFERENCES TO SPOILERY MATERIAL IN COMMENTS! Any and all promo material for unaired episodes is considered to be a spoiler in this journal. The further definition of what constitutes a spoiler for this journal is located in left hand sidebar. Theory and speculation based on aired episodes only.)

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borgmama1of5 From: borgmama1of5 Date: October 14th, 2010 03:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
Enjoyed your recap.

Let me know if the 'analyze magic' spell turns up anything useful :)
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 14th, 2010 09:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
Nothing but a headache so far.
charis_kalos From: charis_kalos Date: October 14th, 2010 08:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
Dean's in bed with Sarah- ah, it's a dream.

Freudian slip there? He's in bed with Lisa, but do you want Sarah back? She was the coolest of Sam's potential partners.

"You're gonna torture a kid?"/"I can't care about that, Dean. I don't have the luxury." nods* Pragmatism. Really, it's a non-permanent pain that's being inflicted on the kid to try to find out who he sold his soul to and maybe even get it back, so I hate to sound cruel, but I'm on Castiel and Sam's side here. Temporary pain for lasting benefit, like surgery. Kid needs his soul replaced.

Interestingly, surgery is considered assault and battery (at least in my legal neck of the woods) unless permission is given. And legally it would be impossible for anyone to consent to major surgery without anesthetic. So I don't agree with your surgery analogy here, because the kid didn't (and couldn't) consent.

Let alone the whole 'time-limited, we can't think of another way' thing is horribly reminiscent of torture debates. And the argument that it's non-permanent pain is like the argument that 'it's not really torture' if it doesn't cause permanent damage. I'm pretty sure that at this point Castiel and the boys are in trouble with the Geneva Conventions. What happened to not sacrificing any virgins, even when that will get rid of all the demons for you? Find another way, guys!

Yep, Sam going along with this is a less than soulful Sam; Castiel's lost a lot of his humanity during his time of being a celestial wavelength; and I'm completely on Dean's side.

Balthazar? ... Wasn't he one of the Three Wise Men?


The earliest literary references to the names of the magi are in a 6th century chronicle, where one of the magi is named Bithisarea, more popularly spelled Balthasar. And: "the name Balthasar is probably a corrupted form of Belteshazzar, the name given to the Jewish prophet Daniel in the Babylonian court." Belteshazzar refers to the Babylonian god Bel. And there my knowledge of the mage 'Balthasar' ends.

Lucifer and Michael were probably too busy fighting each other to worry about torturing Sam and Adam, making Sam (and Adam's) biggest hazard boredom.

Big assumption there. You don't think Lucifer might be a little annoyed at the pesky vessel who spoiled all his plans?

"Do you have any idea what souls are worth? What power they hold?"

And I'm thinking that someone is holding onto Sam's. Because a Sam who is willing to torture a kid, rather than support Dean in demanding another way (let alone sleeping with prostitutes and throwing away their phone numbers) - that's not Sam with a soul.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 14th, 2010 09:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
Freudian slip there? He's in bed with Lisa, but do you want Sarah back? She was the coolest of Sam's potential partners.

Oops. Fixed.

So I don't agree with your surgery analogy here, because the kid didn't (and couldn't) consent.

Ah, yes, true.

You don't think Lucifer might be a little annoyed at the pesky vessel who spoiled all his plans?

I think Michael would be keeping him busy, unless Michael decided to chuck it all and torture Sam too for going against Destiny.

And I'm thinking that someone is holding onto Sam's.

I think that's a definite possibility.
irismay42 From: irismay42 Date: October 14th, 2010 09:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oooh seriously, you never saw Sebastian Roche in the extremely awesome but extremely short-lived Odyssey 5? (He's also in Fringe at the moment, which is...confusing.) He really does do a fabulous "is he a good guy or is he a bad guy" thing though. And funny Balthazar didn't know what was French for twelve as Sebastian Roche is French-born!

And I couldn't agree more - we TOTALLY need some Balthazar / Crowley interaction!!!

And *snerk* "Silver lining..."!!

Still trying to work out whether the guy playing the Birch boys' dad was the cop in the opening scenes of Asylum. IMDb was being annoying silent on the matter last time I looked!

Oh and my mum actually shouted "Spiky clock!" at the screen at one point. The internet is a frightening thing...
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 14th, 2010 09:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oooh seriously, you never saw Sebastian Roche in the extremely awesome but extremely short-lived Odyssey 5?

I don't think I've ever seen it.

And I couldn't agree more - we TOTALLY need some Balthazar / Crowley interaction!!!

The snark would be epic.
malevolent73 From: malevolent73 Date: October 15th, 2010 01:58 am (UTC) (Link)
Jumping in a second to say, yes, the Fringe connection is mind bending me too. And I thought the same about the kid's dad, cop from previous ep. :D
malevolent73 From: malevolent73 Date: October 15th, 2010 01:54 am (UTC) (Link)
I got about 5 seconds of the SOON before I could turn it off. LOL And I like your recap, even though show is making me sadface and uncomfortable. I can't even call on the power of the Trust Kripke icon, since well, I would have to Trust Gamble and I'm not sure if I do yet. Time will tell!
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 15th, 2010 12:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm not sure what Sera's doing, but I'm still willing to try to focus on the squee and handwave the rest. I haven't quite reached the stage of showrunner distrust where my spoilerphobia starts slipping though, so there's hope.
amy_star_ From: amy_star_ Date: October 15th, 2010 02:13 am (UTC) (Link)
You can worry about the tie directionality, I'm worrying about the tie colour choices. Hm.

It definitely looks like wingburn - look at the way it kind of flares out by Castiel's hip area. Plus it's dark-coloured on the car after he gets off the car but the rest of the dented area is not discolored - including where the other angel landed.

Sebastian Roche looks far too much like Gordon Ramsay IMO.

caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 15th, 2010 12:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
It definitely looks like wingburn - look at the way it kind of flares out by Castiel's hip area. Plus it's dark-coloured on the car after he gets off the car but the rest of the dented area is not discolored - including where the other angel landed.

Something to that. The other angel landed on the windshield and rolled onto the hood, but there's no sign of it. Really makes me wonder about Castiel.

Sebastian Roche looks far too much like Gordon Ramsay IMO.

Oh my god. I haven't watched much Gordon Ramsey, but you're right! *rofl* I can just see him launching into a trade and calling everyone donkeys.
ciaranbochna From: ciaranbochna Date: October 15th, 2010 03:09 am (UTC) (Link)
I agree that Sebastian is awesome and Fringe..mmmmm. Anyway, I also pondered the shadow left on the top of the car after Castiel landed. Sam is indeed..wired wrong somehow. I look forward to more Balthazar, that man can certainly dig into a scene. Dean is definitely the most awesome dad created.

Also thought I would say mom and I were both doing research on commercials, books on hand--kind of a fun moment:)

I share the squee for future episodes;)
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 15th, 2010 12:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
Haven't seen Fringe, I no doubt will eventually, but not soon. That shadow is very intriguing indeed.

Yay research! I may have looked up a few things online myself.
isoldam From: isoldam Date: October 15th, 2010 07:29 am (UTC) (Link)
*does math* well, about 240 days if 1 month equals 10 years per Dean's experience; not a short amount of time, but not forty years either. Secondly, Sam's experience in Hell, wasn't in Hell proper, it was in Lucifer's cage, set apart from Hell where no demon before Yellow-Eyes could get to, and nobody could open without an entire seasons worth of jumping through hoops busting seals. Lucifer and Michael and Sam and Adam were the only ones in there, and Lucifer and Michael were probably too busy fighting each other to worry about torturing Sam and Adam, making Sam (and Adam's) biggest hazard boredom.

I don't think it's safe to assume that we know what happened to Sam in hell or how long he spent there. Time in Lucifer's cage might run differently than time where Dean was. Perhaps Sam spent several hundred years with a really pissed off Lucifer. Or maybe he was immediately dumped out of Lucifer's cage into hell proper. Maybe time is not consistent in hell at all, and how fast or slow it runs depends on where you are in it or even which demon has control of you. Anything is possible.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 15th, 2010 12:51 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's more a speculation than an assumption. Everything about Sam's time in the cage/Hell is speculation until Show decides to grace us with the details. And yes, anything is possible. :-)
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