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Reaction: Supernatural 6.05 and picspam
Contains heaps and mounds and buckets of profanity no really I mean it and some metaish speculation and confusion.

Spoiler and Spec Summary

Title - "Live Free or Twi-hard" Okay, just from the title alone, it'll be vampires preying on vampire fans. *forcibly retires bunny about the two surviving vampires from Luther's crew taking over a vampire LARP, a fic started at the end of season 1 that includes an OC with ludicrously high Mary-Sue factors* Into the dead-zone it goes.

The title appeared uncut in a few locations in mid-September. Titles, especially titles like this one that strongly hint towards plot are considered spoilers by some. Most people understand this though, so thank you to the vast majority for using a cut. :-)

On the up side, I'm apparently mellowing because I didn't literally burst into tears or de-friend people and comms. Maybe I'm maturing? God I hope not.


Now, before the episode comes on, I'd like to preface this reaction by saying while I'm somewhat familiar with the vampire genre, I have not read the Twilight books or seen the movies. My entire experience of Twilight has been Cleolinda's epic recaps, Nerimon's Twilight readings on YouTube and assorted quotes taken out of context and subsequently prefaced by 'OMGWTFBBQ??!?' or something similar. So, I have no direct Twilight experiences, and a lot of bias toward disbelieving laughter. If you adore and love Twilight, I'm sorry. I might be mocking it rather intensely in this recap, but we'll see.





Picspam Reaction, with speculation and randomness for Supernatural 6.05 - Live Free or Twi-Hard

Well, I was expecting ludicrous crack, but that wasn't there. At all. Oddly, I don't think I'm very bothered.


-THEN! This show has vampires and Sam is weird. No I didn't watch the then, but I'm guessing that'd be a fair summary. [Rewatch: Yep, with added Lisa and Campbells]

-Bar of deliberate gothiness. How very subtle. Also subtle, fake ID picture that doesn't really look much like the person using it. [Heh. Like at all. My TV's really crap, obviously. Also missed the fake ID name: Emily Fang. Ha ha ha.]
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-Heh. Music playing, the lyric appears to include 'Bela Lugosi is dead'. Cute.

-You know, I went into this expecting the Twilight fan to be like Becky-for-Vampires, and the vampire to be a scenery-chewing sparkly silly monster for a while before we got to the murders and serious business bit, but this quiet parallel is kind of cool too. From my limited knowledge of Twilight, I can see that the girl has a close approximation of Bella Swan's clothing and is doing the 'oh enthralling dangerous stalker-boy whisk me manfully away from all this blah blah blah my mundane life is so hard', and vampire boy is doing the 'You smell like freesia I must eat you but I can't because blah blah blah my undead life is so hard' thing going on.
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-I have the sneaking suspicion that when they put this episode through the legal department the Twilight people had a significant amount of 'don't mock us or S. Meyer or our fans' adjustments made before they'd allow the use of their IP. Just a hunch. There's a feeling of not having free rein to a lot of this, which is sad. I guess the Twilight franchise doesn't have as much of a sense of humor about themselves as Criss Angel.

-*snerk* Her name's Kirsten. Oh that's just precious. XD

-"Paper cut. I'm the clumsiest person ever." *snerk*

-She's 17, and I think some part of what he said there was a movie quote. And his name's Robert. Hahah.

-"I can never hurt you." You know, by not having this be over-the-top and mocking as may have been originally intended, it's made it a hell of a lot more obvious just how unhealthy the core relationship depicted in Twilight novels is, and makes this line seem more like a line from a soon-to-be abusive boyfriend or a serial killer. Which in the books, as I understand them, it kind of is.

-"It smells like pee." Yep. Welcome to your imminent repurposing as monster chow. You know, for a second at the start there, I thought they were gonna switch it up and have her be the vampire, because seriously, acting like Bella Swan around a male vampire-wannabe would be an easy way to hunt down fanboys too. I think. Does Twilight have a large male fanbase? Somehow I don't think so.
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-And let this be a caution: Be careful when online dating, especially if the person is representing themselves as someone who in any way eats people.
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-Location: A night's drive from Lisa's place. So anywhere in the continental US then, given the way Impala physics seems to work on this show. XD

-Most credulous dad ever. I have no idea what story they fed him, but they're in plain street clothes, his daughter is missing, and he's all, "Sure, go take a look in my daughter's bedroom unsupervised." What cover story did they give, exactly??

-Written by Brett Matthews, Directed by Rob Hardy, neither of whom I recognize offhand.

-"Lautner is the werewolf." "How many 'T's in Pattin-" *snerk* Seriously, the legal department must've had kittens negotiating what they did get to use.

-Hm. Website is "hitchedon", so like Linked In? Guess none of the social networking sites wanted to be depicted as the online hunting ground for vampires seeking Bella Swan wannabes. [*ROFL* that website: "Subject - Poetry. Read your latest, I find your use of punctuation and lack of capitals... intoxicating." XD Also, we are in Limestone Illinois. Also also, if she was seventeen, then the episode is set sometime after December 5th, 2010, as that would be her 17th birthday. We're in the future, guys!! (Unless she was lying, always possible.)]
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-Bloodmobile robbery. That's randomish, especially if they're hunting vampire fans. Maybe there's a second non-hunting group of vampires trying to stop the ones doing the internet fangirl luring and they're the ones eating off the bloodmobile wagon? What happened to the cow-drinkers from Bloodlust, anyway? *ponders*

-...okay, someone explain why two male-looking people kissing each other can't be vampires? We know vampires kiss each other and it's hardly necessary for someone to have any specific sexual orientation or preference in order to lure young impressionable and self-deluded idiots to their doom. At best it's a sloppy assumption that could blind Sam and Dean into limiting their suspect pool, making it shoddy investigation at the very least.... actually, never mind. The more I think about this, the more of a headache I'm going to have and I am focussing on squee here, so I'm considering it as the writer having a "neanderthal redneck homophobe" moment that slipped past all the editors and I'm hoping it never happens again. Grr, I say. GRRR.

-Sam's gotten quite efficient at decapitation. Just saying.

-Posters here have either been left up for over a month, or Kirsten was lying about her age. Again, either is possible.
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-Pft. I had waaaaay better fangs in the mid-nineties, and they weren't a whole appliance like that, just little dental resin caps that fit over the canine teeth. I knew people who used them to shotgun beer and open coffee creamers. I miss my fangs. I also miss the sci-fi cons of the mid-nineties. And college. Sigh.
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-Glitter. "Does it work?" Pft. Dean.

-This guy reminds me of someone I went to cons with in the mid-nineties, actually. Come to think of it, he had fangs too. And about as much hair. No not him, someone else. The one I'm thinking of went to a convention once wearing plate mail and riding a motorcycle across the border. Have I mentioned that I miss conventions?
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-Ooo. Nice [uncappable] hang time on Dean there.

-Gee, Dean's getting his ass kicked. Hey, Sam! Just in time!
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-Um, Sam?
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-Sam??!?
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-Vampire, with the blood and the- OMG WTF WHAT???
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-WHAT THE FUCK, SAM IS SMIRKING?!!!
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-O.O!!! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT? REALLY, WHAT? WHAT? [Okay, apparently I was lucky in dodging the TV Guide blurb for this ep, because the whole 'Dean gets turned into a vampire' thing stunned the crap out of me and I had no clue it was happening. Obviously. YAY for spoilerphobia!!]
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-And after it's too late he- Okay, Sam is not Sam. There is no other explanation. Whether he has the same consciousness and soul or is inhabited by another conciousness, Sam is not Sam. Holy crap.
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-Right! Okay! So that blood kiss thing was just for kicks in Dead Man's Blood. Which we knew because the vampire that turned Gordon didn't exactly hike a tongue down his throat either.

-So Dean's really turning into a vampire? WTF? And again, turning into a vampire is like having a migraine.
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-"I'm gonna ask him too, 'cause you won't do it." Ow. If Sam was really Sam, this would be a whole hell of a lot more ow.

-Seriously, Sam is way too calm. And way too UNSAMLIKE. What the serious hell?

-"Vampires pee." Hee!

-OH FUCK YOU GUYS HE'S GOT THE TEETH!! O.O
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-He's alone in the bathroom. Kind of tricky to cut his own head of with, what, mirror shards, but he's got to be thinking of trying. Likelihood of that happening on this channel, minimal.

-Lisa. Okay, WORST IDEA EVER.

-And again with the drama "I'm going to die soon," visit. Not helping the relationship.
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-Oddly I have complete confidence this whole Dean is a vampire thing will be resolved by the end of the episode, or at the very least, within the next few. And at the same time I'm almost hoping it isn't, because I'm perverse like that sometimes.

-I have a strange note here on my squee pad, all it says is "Woof." I'm guessing that might get explained better when I get to capping. [Possibly this? Not sure.]
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-Teeth. God.
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-Yeah, throwing Ben into a wall, even if it's to protect him, is not exactly a good thing, at least not when you aren't telling anyone what the danger is, or that there's danger in the first place.

-And another "Woof" in the notes. I don't usually woof. This confuses me. [Could be this, not sure. Also cap is awfully dark. Could those of you more prone to 'woofing' offer any opinions?]
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-Turn your back? Oh, turn you back. Damn muddy sound. Wait, what? You can unturn a vampire?

-"One drop of human blood." Interesting. There are a few critters that have that as a point of no return aren't there. Makes me wonder if some of the cow-drinking vampires can't be reverted. Wherever they've gotten to.

-Dean doesn't seem to be having control issues regarding snacking on Sam or Samuel, but I'm guessing that they've got anti-vampire whatsits of some kind like Gordon traded to Bella. Or, they both count as 'dead' as far as blood goes. Or something. Yeah. *handwaves*

-[Incidentally, this whole newbie-vampire-skototropism and all the lights being out is absolute hell for screencaps.]

-More needles. Samuel Campbell et al really seem to be well stocked with them. This does not induce confidence in their machinations.
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-"You knew about the cure (...) We talked about it months ago." WT serious F? Okay, so Sam might have still been Sam months ago, but now he's not. Or maybe there's more than one entity inside Sam's noodle and none of them are comparing notes or timesharing Sam's driver's seat too well. Also, I HAVE NO CLUE HOW DEEP SAM IS IN CAHOOTS WITH THE CAMPBELLS. Whatever they're cahooting about. Whoever Sam is. There's mixed signals everywhere and I honestly have no clue what's going on in terms of their inter-dynamics. Gaaah.

-Alpha Vampire. Oh great, they're after Caine?? Which would even fit into the whole biblical theme, and... heh. They totally are, aren't they.

-Whatever brought back Sam.... shit guys, I got no idea. I really don't. I could read where Kripke was going mostly, but Sera's a whole new ballgame and I don't know what's going on with Sam or why, except he's NOT SAM. Samuel told him months back, and yet he doesn't remember there's a cure for vampirism. He's unnaturally calm and apparently willing to sacrifice Dean for the good of the party for... I don't even know what. This Alpha hunt thing. Which makes it likely that whatever raised him, or whatever has taken him over, is part of the mysterious Sponsor Samuel has. Ya know, I'm almost liking having no idea what's going on with Sam. Although the real Sam can come back anytime.

-That said, even if Sam and Samuel have anti-vampire schtick, Dean is a LOT stronger in resisting this than Gordon was. Shouldn't be a surprise considering how long Dean lasted in Hell, but there we are. How many rich and meaty humans did he pass on the streets getting to and from Lisa's? Or back to the nest? Willpower FTW! \o/

-Fist bumping with vampires. Hee!
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-"I killed so many people on the way over here." *giggles*

-So these vampires are avoiding mass slaughter by raiding blood banks. Wise, for a large vampire population like this. Masses of bloodless corpses would be awkward, and they've got such a nifty hideout.. Bloodmobile raids too, though. Also, Donated blood has an artificial anti-coagulant added. That's gotta taste weird. Like pickled or something.
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-Okay. So. They don't kill the Twilight fans, they keep them captive so they can write angsty poetry and... draw in more Twilight fans? Rather recursive. I was in a Star Trek club like that once. The sole purpose for existing was to have public events to draw in more members so they could have more public events.
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-Sound was muddy as hell all through this I should say, so there may be several major plot and logistical points I'm missing. [Doesn't seem like it, except maybe after the poetry they turn the fans and keep them in cages? Or the fans are turned already and are being kept in cages and only taken out to write poetry until they get under control? I guess? I have the dumb today.]

-The father of the vampires is in the sky? Seems like an odd place. Also, for a vamp nest, having a giant skylight seems inadvisable, like having a constant rain of hail indoors. Sunlight doesn't kill them in SPN-verse, but it's not comfy. Unless that's one of the monster rule-shifts too. Hm.
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-Eeeeeek. Breathing on Dean's neck, eeeek. O.O
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-Ooops. This is why you leave the cap on syringes until the last minute. No loud dripping. Also so you don't jab yourself. Incidentally Dean, why are you making this move now in vampire central where loads of vampires caged and non can raise the alarm and swarm the crap out of you instead of, say, waiting for a more appropriate point on the tour? Like: "And this is an old root cellar in the sub-basement where we keep stuff no one ever looks for-"/"Great!" *jab* *thud*. See? Logistics. *nods*
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-Incoming message from the big giant head! (I never even watched that show, why am I referring to it?) Interesting that the vampires seemed to pass out in order of siring. The last one before Dean to fall over was Kirsten, I think.
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-Ooo. Surreal montage thing that everyone with an analytical bent is going to analyze to death for meaning. Not me at the moment, but there's more pre-adolescent twin girls roaming around, this time with fangs. Also a big fatherly guy I'm guessing is the Alpha, although why the hell did big daddy pick now to do a random backstory info dump to ALL the vampires? Surely they know the stuff already? [On rewatch I have no idea what the hell's going on. Oh all right, I'll give it a shot. Nifty transition from the illuminated blood vessels to the map. Something happened in Aurora, Illinois and I'll wager it didn't involve Wayne's World. Young girl, feeding her doll blood. Cellular division. Sudden twin, a whole lot creepier than regular twins. With fangs, both of them. Hm. Alpha looks like a nice guy, except for the creepy smearing blood on kids' faces. Alpha points at... a dark house. Ah. The kids' house. Go eat your folks. Fine and dandy. Or... they were in the house and now they're going out to spread vampirism...? 'Sudden' twin remaining while the other one is gone... I have no idea, it's like blipvert surrealism stew. Here, have screencaps take a bash.]
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-And the sound goes crappy yet again. It's like the vocal track and the music/sound effects are on separate controls, and the music's been played at 200% while the vocal is being played underwater. *smacks provider*

-New vampire Dean slaughtering his way through his own new nest (which technically is his new family he didn't ask for) is rather winny. Also shades of foreshadowing for the Campbell clan, perhaps?
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-Wow. Impressive body count Dean! *nods*

-I am wondering about the set. Is that clock running? [Nope.] It's incredibly prominent. Significant in some way? [Time is 10:06? The clock's hands look like they've been raised worshipfully to the sky? Damned if I know.] It's not like Dean's vampirism is on a timer, he just has to gank his sire and snag some blood. Weird. Also, is this the old set for Lex Luther's office thing off Smallville? Random, but something about the arrangement of balconies is familiar.
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-Mmm. Vampire reversal potion is extra chunky. Tasty. :-P
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-DEAN SAW SMIRKY LURKY SAM IN HIS FLASHBACK! Yeah. No whinging about something being wrong with Sam now, that's pretty much proof. That's gonna need dealt with, if not this episode, then soon. Epic shouting, possibly with shoving into walls of various kinds.
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-"So what'd you see?" Yeah. Not 'how are you doing?' not 'feeling any better after that bad case of vampire you had?', but "What did you see?" Not planned at all this 'getting Dean turned' lark, was it Sammy-boy? What I want to know is this; there are two Campbell cousins left alive. Why didn't one of them volunteer to get vamped? Is there something about them that makes it impossible for them to be turned into vampires (a la Dean and Sam's anti-possession tattoos) or are they immune for some other reason like actually being non-human themselves? Or do these vampires know them too well as hunters? Or are they just chicken? Only time will tell. Hopefully.

-No answer from Lisa, and she's dumping your calls. Dean, seriously, aside from the fact you just laid another 'king of drama llamas' "I'm going to go die now again some more" speech on Lisa in the middle of the night, you shoved her son into a wall. I'd be surprised if she's not moving to a different state, and I suspect the only way she'll talk to you again is if there's a horde of drooling monsters after her and Ben. She's a good mom, and you messed with her kid. I doubt she's going to put up with that.

-"At least you've got my back. No matter what happens I can always count on you, right, Sammy?" I'm finding the non-confrontational approach that Dean appears to be making regarding the whole 'what the serious fuck is up with Sam' issue interesting. He knows something is up with Sam, but he doesn't know what, just like the rest of us. Could it be he's actually going to try to get further data about what might be wrong with Sam before the epic yelling starts? Wow. O.o
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-PROMO AMBUSH! AUGH! *flails and gets the remote* Phew! Seriously, either play the promo after the Exec Producer credits card, or don't play them. Don't follow the Exec Producer credits with a billion commercials to lull me into a false sense of security and then blindside me. Meanies.




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ciaranbochna From: ciaranbochna Date: October 24th, 2010 03:20 am (UTC) (Link)
I have to admit I did love the collective memory flash Dean had, reminds me of Joseph Campbell. I also have nothing on the Sam front, except that it is raising alarms. Cain is certainly a good theory on the Alpha vamp though. So many tangents..lol I do love the parallel with the map and the circulatory system though, may hint at their future plans to infect everyone.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 24th, 2010 07:40 am (UTC) (Link)
reminds me of Joseph Campbell.

Really? Hunh.
malevolent73 From: malevolent73 Date: October 24th, 2010 03:44 am (UTC) (Link)
I actually havre read the books and seent he movies and they were not even parodying it, it seemed like an exact replica instead. They really say those things in exactly that manner. It's...unnerving. And ridiculous.

I was freaking the hell out when he got turned too! Sam! Sam! What are you DOING?!?!

And I have the same Buzzah? about Sam. I totally thought it wasn't him, but then I figured it's him but just all stoic and meanie-face from being in "hell".

And I thought Dean was going to slit his wrists and Sam was going to walk in on him in the bathroom!

I have to say, I have not been my normal drooly over Dean's form lately but I can understand the "woofs" of which you speak. *nods*

And I said, "Too soon, Dean, wait for a dark corner at least you ninny!" with the needle thing. LOL

All in all, solid episode. I enjoyed it immensely. And yay spoilerphobia! *fistbump* I saw the episode description afterwards also and took the deepest sigh of relief!

Sorry! I edited for spelling errors. They were SO annoying. *sheepish grin*

Edited at 2010-10-24 06:41 am (UTC)
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 24th, 2010 07:45 am (UTC) (Link)
And I thought Dean was going to slit his wrists and Sam was going to walk in on him in the bathroom!

Except that wouldn't have done anything but made a mess, since he was a vampire at that point, and so like I said, he'd've had to figure out a way to chop his own head off with shattered bits of mirror before Sam could charge in.

And yay spoilerphobia! *fistbump* I saw the episode description afterwards also and took the deepest sigh of relief!

Totally!
erinrua From: erinrua Date: October 24th, 2010 04:21 am (UTC) (Link)
Still digesting this ep, but a thought on Sam.

I think he TOTALLY remembered Grampa Samuel's vampire cure as mentioned X months ago. I think when Sam was running to Dean's rescue, the reason he stopped to watch was that his big, thinky (hopelessly screwed up) brain suddenly clicked onto that random bit of distant esoterica ... and so he could totally let the vampire have its way with Dean. Because the new, heartless (soulless?) Sam was able to extrapolate the whole, ghastly scenario of letting Dean go vamp so Dean could help find/fight the vamps and then later Grampa Campbell could turn Dean back.

And I think Sam's schtick with Samuel as if he didn't remember the vampire cure was a lie. Sam knew damn good and well about the cure, but he was content to let Grampa Samuel act as if saving Dean was all Grampa's idea.

Because Sam really is that heartless, just now. Or ... y'know ... soulless.

Which is really Not Sam. But I think it's all one Sam. All one consciousness. He's just absent a few vital components, these days.

Edited at 2010-10-24 04:23 am (UTC)
cordelia_gray From: cordelia_gray Date: October 24th, 2010 05:25 am (UTC) (Link)
I think we just posted more or less the same thing at the same time! But I agree completely, Sam (or the Sam-Like Object on our screens) totally knew about the cure, and lied to both Dean and Grampa Sam about it.
cordelia_gray From: cordelia_gray Date: October 24th, 2010 05:20 am (UTC) (Link)
Yay! Picspam.

That episode was super-dark, even for SPN. It must have been annoying as hell to cap. The caps of the vision-thing are awesome, though I have no idea what it means.

Pretty sure Sam knew about the Alpha and the psychic stuff. The "what did you see" what very pointed, he was looking for intel. And speaking of what he knew: Sam, or whatever's driving his body around, knew about the cure before he let Dean be turned, I'm sure of it. That's why he did it - he knew about the cure, and he wanted the intel, so he let Dean get vamped to get the data. Which means that he was lying to Samuel as well as to Dean. SO I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

But I want Sam back, damnit!

erinrua From: erinrua Date: October 24th, 2010 05:47 am (UTC) (Link)
Agree on all points. Especially the wanting Sam back. But I think that may end up being the whole point of the season. Getting Sam - or at least his humanity - back.

I do think it's Sam. I think it's Sam (or what's left of him) driving his body around. But I think he's missing some pretty important bits. Heart. Soul. All the things that make us human. Compassion. Empathy. Love.

The second biggest hole in this episode was, for me, the moment when the girl's father was going on about his daughter ... and all Sam had was a bass-profundo, Sam Spade remark: "We just want to get your daughter back."

The utter absence of the doe-eyed, bleeding-heart Sam we used to know was as glaring as watching Dean get turned. IMHO.

Next week ... should be interesting. *bites nails*
heartlessbytchh From: heartlessbytchh Date: October 24th, 2010 05:30 am (UTC) (Link)
I'll explain the 2 male vamps kissing exclusion thing. The one they were looking for had 7 teenage girls, not dudes missing.
Rob Hardy- I think I've got the right dude.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0362734/#Producer

Brett Matthews-Joss Whedon's assistant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Matthews

I'm enjoying your commentary. It's pretty funny.
Did you notice how the shot of BAVMFDEAN watching Lisa sleep paralleled the book cover? Which BTW looked a lot like the covers on Chuck's books? I'm just saying.

Your caps are fabulous! What were you woofing at anyway?
Ooo, foreshadowing of wiping out Campbell clan...excellent thought. I like!
What was Dean's body count BTW?

I think the buliding used in this was the same one used in Nightshifter.

Yeah, I grossed out on the fiber in the antivamp potion too. Pretty gross stuff, Maynard.

As far as Not!Sam asking Dean about what did he see in the nest?, Not!Sam KNEW that Dean was gonna see that vision. He KNOWS what it's about too. You heard it from me first!
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 24th, 2010 08:05 am (UTC) (Link)
The one they were looking for had 7 teenage girls, not dudes missing.

...I know. That's the assumption being made above in the show. The sexuality of the people doing the luring is absolutely immaterial. It's the image the victims are presented with that lures them in, and for that purpose in this scenario, the sexuality of the person doing the luring has as little to do with their capacity to lure in their victims as the colour of their socks. Possibly even less.

Not!Sam KNEW that Dean was gonna see that vision. He KNOWS what it's about too. You heard it from me first!

Actually, I knew that; it's rather obvious and that's what my comments above were based on. I can't imagine anyone not realizing that, and I'm sorry you seem to have missed understanding what I was saying.
eilonwy From: eilonwy Date: October 24th, 2010 06:31 am (UTC) (Link)
All I really have to say is I WANT SAM BACK. :(
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 24th, 2010 08:05 am (UTC) (Link)
Seconded.
blackcat333_99 From: blackcat333_99 Date: October 24th, 2010 06:43 am (UTC) (Link)
-I have a strange note here on my squee pad, all it says is "Woof." I'm guessing that might get explained better when I get to capping.

I will second those Woofs. Something about barely leashed predatory Dean is HOT.

As far as Sam goes... he totally lied about not remembering about the cure. He still suuuucks at lying. Which means he totally sold out his brother to work his own agenda. I have a lot more to say about this but I'll be covering this in my own review (still working on that). I think he is Sam, Real Sam, but there is something missing from him, or a specific damage done to him... I don't know yet. But he feels like RealSam to me, but also WrongSam.

I did get spoiled about Dean getting turned from last week's preview. But I got blindsided to the fact that Sam LET it happen. I rather expected this ep to finally show some signs of where Sam's head is at, connecting with some feeling and showing that he cares, trying to save Dean.... silly me. We did get a clue where his head's at... but not a glimpse of heart in sight.

caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 24th, 2010 08:10 am (UTC) (Link)
Something about barely leashed predatory Dean is HOT.

My personal 'HOT' detectors are usually offline though, so I was a little surprised to find them barking. XD

But he feels like RealSam to me, but also WrongSam.

I agree, and for once I wish they were being a little less subtle about what's going on with Sam, because I'm having great difficulty figuring out what to think about him, because he's all over the map in portrayal and I don't know why.

I rather expected this ep to finally show some signs of where Sam's head is at, connecting with some feeling and showing that he cares, trying to save Dean.... silly me. We did get a clue where his head's at... but not a glimpse of heart in sight.

I'm hoping they'll get on with the 'what's wrong with Sam' arc soon. It's starting to make me snap at people. :-/
bellatemple From: bellatemple Date: October 24th, 2010 07:27 am (UTC) (Link)
On second viewing, I decided that Sam's "Okay, let's let Dean get turned" thing is not premeditated. He saw a chance there in the alley, and decided to take it. You can almost see him weighing it as an option and deciding it's an acceptable risk.

I'm not sure why he went with the whole "I dunno about no vampire cure!" thing. I get the feeling he's faking that. He's, like, a second behind Dean the whole time with the "wait, there's a cure?" Juuuust enough of a delay in that and in his rationalizing to Samuel to be suspicious. It's very curious.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 24th, 2010 08:14 am (UTC) (Link)
On second viewing, I decided that Sam's "Okay, let's let Dean get turned" thing is not premeditated. He saw a chance there in the alley, and decided to take it.

It's a possibility, but I don't know. Either I'm finding Jared harder to read or his portrayal of Sam is spinning something my way that I'm not receiving because right now I'm finding it really frustrating. The way it's been so far... I don't even know. It's making me antagonistic.

Juuuust enough of a delay in that and in his rationalizing to Samuel to be suspicious.

That particular section is muddy to watch, so I missed any subtle cues or pauses happening in that conversation.
claudiapriscus From: claudiapriscus Date: October 24th, 2010 09:49 am (UTC) (Link)
Love you to pieces for getting all of the vamp-alpha-vision-thingy. There's much to chew over there.

>>This is why you leave the cap on syringes until the last minute. No loud dripping. Also so you don't jab yourself. Incidentally Dean, why are you making this move now in vampire central where loads of vampires caged and non can raise the alarm and swarm the crap out of you instead of, say, waiting for a more appropriate point on the tour?>>

I suspect he feared for his virtue, hehe!

>>-Sound was muddy as hell all through this I should say, so there may be several major plot and logistical points I'm missing. [Doesn't seem like it, except maybe after the poetry they turn the fans and keep them in cages? Or the fans are turned already and are being kept in cages and only taken out to write poetry until they get under control? I guess? I have the dumb today.]>>

So IIRC, the girls were turned into vampires, and then locked up until they became "submissive" - that's part of the reason they needed the bloodblank blood.

As to the IP stuff, I doubt they bothered vetting it with anyone. Even straight up using the book titles would have been fair use (and they've used it before-), and the rest of it would have fallen under parody. But they used other names and titles and just strongly hinted they were the same, and as it was just the window dressing element on the story of the whole episode... I can't imagine they needed or sought out any permission.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 24th, 2010 03:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
So IIRC, the girls were turned into vampires, and then locked up until they became "submissive" - that's part of the reason they needed the bloodblank blood.

Yeah, that makes the most sense.

I can't imagine they needed or sought out any permission.

I just can't shake the feeling tht the writers were somehow fettered when writing this, because a send-up of Twilight and vampire fandoms done by the Supernatural writers... it just seems to me it should have been funnier, or more incisive. It didn't have as much bite to it as it could have, and all I can think is that there was wrangling with the Twilight franchise. Unless they soft-pedalled because they didn't want to slam Vampire Diaries fans, in which case any fettering of the writers can be blamed on the CW. As usual.
irismay42 From: irismay42 Date: October 24th, 2010 02:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
Best thing about the vamp dream? Rick Worthy! He seriously has one of the most amazing voices ever, so I'm looking forward to him showing up in a future ep!

Hmm, I've been wondering what year season 6 is set in since the time jump. Confirmation that this is 2011 then? Maybe they'll slow it down so the whole of season 6 happens from May 2011 to September 2011, then they can have season 7 (please Ms Ostroff!) back in real time...?

I've never seen Twilight or read the books, but I do watch Vamp Diaries, so just kept thinking of Stefan Salvatore all the way through the teaser! But like you said, they weren't really taking the piss out of Twilight here - rather, they were showing how the whole Twilight craze could make it easy for pervs (or real vamps!) to prey on impressionable young girls. Or guys.

Interesting how we were made to trust Grandpa Samuel here more than Sam. Either, like you said, something's happened to Sam SINCE he got out of the Cage, or he knew there was a cure, so that's why he let Dean get vamped. Hell of a risk to take with his big brother though. Pre-Cage Sammy would never have done that.

I'm just wondering whether Sam's being coerced into finding all the Alphas for *someone / thing* and then *something* will happen. He's letting Samuel boss him around, but clearly isn't happy about it, so maybe whoever / whatever he's working for has him spying on the Campbells too? Grandpa Sam certainly didn't order Sam to let Dean get vamped anyway. And his knowing what the cure is at least explains why he hacked that first vamp's head off so easily, but didn't manage it with Boris.

I kinda liked Boris. Except for him, y'know, lusting after Dean a bit. But we can understand that.

I thought the clock was stopped at the time John died for one horrible moment, but I think that was 10:19 or something wasn't it? (I don't do numbers!) Shame. That would have been cool. Dean killing his sire and everything.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 24th, 2010 03:49 pm (UTC) (Link)
Best thing about the vamp dream? Rick Worthy!

A lot of people seem excited about him. Where's he from?

Hmm, I've been wondering what year season 6 is set in since the time jump. Confirmation that this is 2011 then? Maybe they'll slow it down so the whole of season 6 happens from May 2011 to September 2011, then they can have season 7 (please Ms Ostroff!) back in real time...?

I dunno, the more I think about it, the more I think it was a goof, one I'm gonna handwave by saying she was sixteen and lying until further evidence comes to light.

But like you said, they weren't really taking the piss out of Twilight here - rather, they were showing how the whole Twilight craze could make it easy for pervs (or real vamps!) to prey on impressionable young girls. Or guys.

Very true. I was hoping for a little more crack, but they went the straight-forward route.

Interesting how we were made to trust Grandpa Samuel here more than Sam.

I'm really hoping for some clearer indication of what's going on with Sam and Samuel. The 180 switchbacks in 'who do we trust who don't we trust' are starting to make me dizzy.

I kinda liked Boris. Except for him, y'know, lusting after Dean a bit. But we can understand that.

I should have said in the reaction, but forgot too. I didn't really see the sniffing as lusting, although it certainly looked pervy. I figured it was Boris attempting to determine if Dean was lying about having fed by sniffing him for blood. There wasn't any blood on Dean and normally new vampires aren't exactly fastidious, or rational, really.

I thought the clock was stopped at the time John died for one horrible moment, but I think that was 10:19 or something wasn't it? (I don't do numbers!)

10:41.

Shame. That would have been cool. Dean killing his sire and everything.

It would have, but this show seems to miss a lot of opportunities for subtle significances like that.
sams1ra From: sams1ra Date: October 24th, 2010 05:09 pm (UTC) (Link)
About the freaky twin vampire girls - it reminded me a tiny bit of the Shining. Not sure why, but it did.

About teh cousing volunteering to be vampified - why the hell would they? Also, it's doubtful they'd be able to resist feeding the way Dean had.

Also, Sam is so very much NOT Sam. He did have Lucifer in his head for a while. So thus far he's had a demon and an angel possess him. Dean had neither (right?) *ponders* Aaaaand, he said Hell didn't change him. Pft. If he's Lucy it hadn't. *rising brow*

About Dean and the 'no confronting Sam' thing. Ow. Big giant effing ow. That part hurt me as much as things in season 1 used to. *sniffles* *hugs Dean*

caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 24th, 2010 06:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
it reminded me a tiny bit of the Shining. Not sure why, but it did.

Creepy twin girls are pretty much guaranteed to, it's almost a trope.

why the hell would they?

As part of the hunt, if they knew there was a cure in the offing.

Also, it's doubtful they'd be able to resist feeding the way Dean had.

Very true.
samalander_dawn From: samalander_dawn Date: October 25th, 2010 01:32 am (UTC) (Link)
let me tell you - it's almost worth having read Twilight just for the extra *sporfle* :D

almost-head-vampire guy - who was that?! we recognized him, but couldn't figure out from where!

just once....just once I would like to see something where the big-bad-creepy/near-big-bad-creepy WASN"T a little girl! ARG!! it's got the point where I'm basically 'gank the little girl, then look around for the subs'. *sigh*

question - 'they're not afraid of us anymore'....as far as I recall the vampires were never particularly afraid of hunters, they just found it easier to be where they weren't....am I completely forgetting some big reveal somewhere?

Sam "not remembering" the conversation. I really got the feeling he was pretending he didn't....it's like Sam's rewriting season 1 with the characters reversed, but deliberately trying to do to Dean what happened to happen to him....sort of a revenge thing? (I had a chance to get out, I had a normal life, and you came along and messed it up for me. How's it feel when it's your life?) I dunno, just speculation, but I'm not seeing this being a happy season....
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 25th, 2010 04:59 am (UTC) (Link)
almost-head-vampire guy - who was that?! we recognized him, but couldn't figure out from where!

No idea. Aside from the "hey I went to cons with a guy like that" association he didn't ring any bells for me.

it's got the point where I'm basically 'gank the little girl, then look around for the subs'.

I'll keep that in mind if I ever run a game. ;-)

am I completely forgetting some big reveal somewhere?

Not to my recollection. Seemed a bit randomly emphasised, really.

I'm not seeing this being a happy season....

Probably not for a long while at least. I wish I could read where they were heading with this clearer, it'd be easier to trust the new crew.
charis_kalos From: charis_kalos Date: October 25th, 2010 03:56 am (UTC) (Link)
You know, by not having this be over-the-top and mocking as may have been originally intended, it's made it a hell of a lot more obvious just how unhealthy the core relationship depicted in Twilight novels is, and makes this line seem more like a line from a soon-to-be abusive boyfriend or a serial killer.

Oh, my goodness yes. I have read the Twilight books and count myself a definite LOLfan of them, and this playing-them-straight scene knowing that things were about to go horribly wrong SPN-style made the whole thing dreadfully painful. It was almost cringe-comedy, because this is just what the books are like, and in this context the idea that a seventeen-year-old can reasonably choose to marry, have a baby and die is shown to be as appalling as it is. Whereas in the books, with Bella narrating it, you naturally don’t get the OMGWTF-ness of it all.

You know, for a second at the start there, I thought they were gonna switch it up and have her be the vampire …

Too much like the very first scene in Buffy the TV series with Darla?

What cover story did they give, exactly??

Undercover cops, 21 Jump Street style: “We can blend in with the young people.”

...okay, someone explain why two male-looking people kissing each other can't be vampires?

I think it’s just that these could not be the particular vampires that are stalking young girls? Of course, they could be having a night off from picking up Bella-wannabes.

WHAT THE FUCK, SAM IS SMIRKING?!!!

Yes!

And after it's too late he- Okay, Sam is not Sam. There is no other explanation. Whether he has the same consciousness and soul or is inhabited by another conciousness, Sam is not Sam. Holy crap.

Nope. I’m still going with my: ‘Sam is missing his soul; someone else is holding onto it because Balthazar said souls are worth a lot’ theory.

You knew about the cure (...) We talked about it months ago." WT serious F?

This has confused me. Samuel is not on the up-and-up (witness his collecting of monsters and mysterious phone calls) but it appears that unlike Sam he wouldn’t have used Dean as bait. He has more family-feeling than Sam has at the moment. So he’s not on the monsters’ side? Is there some sort of Buffy-like Initiative for whom he’s collecting?

I'm almost liking having no idea what's going on with Sam. Although the real Sam can come back anytime

Same, same. This is fascinating (what’s up with Sam?) but I miss our Sammy. I’m guessing Dean does too!

I have no idea, it's like blipvert surrealism stew. Here, have screencaps take a bash.

Lots of metaphors for “go forth and multiply, making many more vampires just like yourself” spreading out throughout the country and filling those empty school desks?

”So what'd you see?" Yeah. Not 'how are you doing?' not 'feeling any better after that bad case of vampire you had?', but "What did you see?"

Yeah, this is so not Sam!



charis_kalos From: charis_kalos Date: October 25th, 2010 03:58 am (UTC) (Link)

Too much to put in one comment!

What I want to know is this; there are two Campbell cousins left alive. Why didn't one of them volunteer to get vamped?

Are you crazy? Who’d volunteer for that? And Samuel didn’t seem particularly impressed with the idea that Sam let Dean get vamped, so I’m guessing his Campbell-family-feeling would have said no if anyone had volunteered.

”At least you've got my back. No matter what happens I can always count on you, right, Sammy?" I'm finding the non-confrontational approach that Dean appears to be making regarding the whole 'what the serious fuck is up with Sam' issue interesting. He knows something is up with Sam, but he doesn't know what, just like the rest of us. Could it be he's actually going to try to get further data about what might be wrong with Sam before the epic yelling starts? Wow. O.o

Yes, older, wiser Dean is going to do some background checking. Probably with Bobby, with whom he’s been conferring by phone. Because if this isn’t Sam, you don’t want to tip off the scary Samzilla-sized monster.

I really want to know what happens next!

And, yay for Show pointing out that going down the Twilight-path just leads to young girls being misused and looked in cages. Don’t take Bella as a role model, little seventeen-year-olds. Seriously, where are Buffy and Willow and Cordelia when high school girls need supernatural role models?
izhilzha From: izhilzha Date: October 27th, 2010 03:56 am (UTC) (Link)
...okay, someone explain why two male-looking people kissing each other can't be vampires?

Maybe because the only victims they'd noted so far were young women? ...but while watching I had your exact thought, so.

Hey, I just realized you're on the list of a select few people whose recaps I read faithfully. Mind if I friend you, too? :)
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 27th, 2010 04:15 am (UTC) (Link)
Maybe because the only victims they'd noted so far were young women? ...but while watching I had your exact thought, so.

If they'd been hunting for sexual purposes it would be a factor, but as far as Sam and Dean knew at that point, they were hunting for food, so sexual preference of the person hunting wouldn't really apply.

Mind if I friend you, too?

Sure, go right ahead. I'll warn you know though, I very rarely friend back, so please don't be offended if I don't. :-)
bistokids From: bistokids Date: October 30th, 2010 11:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
I know what the woofs are! I was going to put them in my review and then forgot. When Dean said "I'm going to die - soon" there was the sound of a dog barking, which was very hellhound-like. That'd be my guess. (Although Dean=woof works for me too!)

Your reviews are awesome. I've said it before, I'll say it again. :D
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 1st, 2010 03:01 am (UTC) (Link)
Yep, it all comes back to hellhounds. XD

Your reviews are awesome. I've said it before, I'll say it again. :D

Aw, thanks! :-)
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