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-Mid-September People freaking out about canon Sam/Ruby. I think it's just relating to the Ruby-in-underwear of the premiere, but it seems less speculative and more 'OMG they went there', and a bit of a spike there. So it might have a basis in info from the show that's been leaked. Noting it.


-Sep 24th: Everyone and their dog is going on about the masses of sides for 4.09 Masses of sides = masses of characters with speaking parts, or a few characters with huge speaking parts, none of whom are previously cast, all of whom have lines. Not likely to be Lillith and an army of her demon flunkies, since she doesn't seem to be the type of leader to allow exorcism-fodder underlings to freely and extensively express their thoughts. Hm. It's a bit late in the arc to introduce the 'Hunters of Sam' Club that I am certain exists, but maybe.


-Nov 6 AM IMDB while looking up some info. Sigh. There will be an episode called "I Know What You Did Last Summer" Too rushed to process.


-Nov 6 PM Delayed Processing. Okay, just because no one wants to know, here is an example of how my brain works. While driving home, see someone with their big red government-mandated "learning driver" L in the back window of a car slowing down traffic ahead of me. Think: "Okay, they're learning to drive in the dark on a wet road, and they're obeying the speed limit. That's good. Beats the driving lessons I got from my ex, most of which consisted of him screaming in my ear 'JUST RUN THAT ASSHOLE OVER!!' They're probably getting extra night-driving lessons because of the accident on the highway with a Learning driver recently. That poor kid, they're going to feel guilty about that the rest of their life. Like that movie they're using the title of for a future episode of Supernatural... They wouldn't do the same plot as the movie? Hit and run driver? Naw. Last summer. What happened last summer... Dean was in... and Sam was with... OMG!" And at that point I started shrieking and flailing and did not stop until I got home and could type this, so God only knows what the hell the poor learning driver thought was going on.

SO! We get 'what happened in those four months', possibly Dean, but I think his is going to be just before the hiatus, so I am betting. BETTING. This will be Sam's missing months. With Ruby. AND!!! That the 'Hunt Sam' club I am certain is out there and has been since Steve Wandell which has yet to make an overt appearance? Is going to enter the scene, possibly in a huge way.


-Nov 10th Episode blurb ambush, dammit. There's going to be an 'Anne', who can hear angels, and Castiel and Uriel aren't going to be thrilled about her. Why does that sound like a summary for a Mary-Sue fic? How does that fit in...?

Also, possibly two parts. Betting a second part cliffhanger too. *eyes impending hiatus nervously*


-Nov 11th Widely disseminated comments from Jim Beaver's Myspace. Bobby will not be appearing in this episode.

Given the little backstory we got in 4.01 re: Sam and Bobby while Dean was in Hell? The potential lack of Bobby in this episode saddens me greatly. Maybe we'll get some unanswered phone calls, or something that ties back to that. Sigh. I was so hoping for Bobby. I miss him.


-Nov 12th + 13th Everyone everywhere preemptively freaking over Sam/Ruby. Suddenly and with conviction. Collateral spoilage includes:
-Castiel and Uriel are in this episode. (Knew that from the blurb. But yay! *pats them*)
-There's a new girl named Anna who can hear angels and knows about the Apocalypse. (So that's confirmed. Obviously demons will want her, angels will want her dead, because duh, she's a back door into angel communications. I know how this security of information stuff goes. I watch "Chuck". *nods*)
-There's a new biggish bad called Alastair. He knows Dean from Hell and possibly vice versa. (That sounds nifty... and worrisome.)
-Castiel and Uriel are not happy with Anna, and want her dead. (See 'duh' above)
-Sam, somewhere in the process of dealing with the Anna and Alastair show, is going to tell Dean about his missing four months, where the Sam/Ruby comes in. (*eyeroll* Aaaaand cue wank. Glad he's telling Dean. Or... hm.)
-Ruby's inhabiting a coma victim. (That may explain why she's so far in this form been portrayed a little like a dead fish. I gotta wonder, did they... go shopping for coma victims? O.O Gaaaaah...)
-Sam will reveal "how Ruby saved his life." (So either the angsty 'kept me from committing suicide by monster/demon/whatever' way, or the other 'rescued my ass, because I become utterly incompetent in the presence of a Mary Sue sparkly demon with a human soul, a tragic past and a magic knife' way. Sigh.)

*facepalm* Honest. To. Pete.

Alright. That's it, I think I've seen damn near everything already, I have no need to watch the episode now. *folds arms and refuses to pick up remote*

Yeah right. *picks up remote*

GOD I HATE SPOILERS!



Reaction with MASSES of meta, spec, theory, plot analysis, more meta, more spec, a mild case of insanity and a short poll for Supernatural 4.09 - "I Know Who* What You Did Last Summer"
*-Sorry, sorry, I had to.


Since other segments of fandom will probably be ranting about dissecting any Issues involved in certain aspects of this episode and therefore those will be well-covered elsewhere, I'm going to focus on the mytharc, plot, characters and squee, and any quibble or analysis will be based in that.



-Watching promos because there's no point in avoiding last minute spoilers *shrug*: Hi Castiel, hi rising witnesses/breaking seals (hi Bobby!), hi apocalypse, hi Lilith, hi pie (hee!), hi 'months without your brother', hi Dean confronting Sam about the psychic crap, hi SAM HANE/breaking of another seal, hi Uriel with the 'turn you to dust' which has dropped the 'one word' qualifier in the previouslies, I note, hm. Hi Dean's red eyes dream flashback with screaming. What a long and thorough recap that was. That was kind of awesome. Like mytharc summary from the S3 finale to date in convenient pill form.

-And hello, Riverview Hospital Conner-Beverly Behavioral Medicine Centre, and hello Anna. Ooo, Anna's a redhead! She's reminding me of Penny from Dr. Horrible. *glee* Wow, she has huge eyes.

-What did she say? "Same by whine?" Oh, "same bottom line". Nice tightrope walking on the 'it's Biblical except not really' thing there, gang.

-"Smoke 'em if you got 'em." Hehe. I think I like Anna. She has snark. She does a fantastic 'listening to angels' face.

-600 seals of which any 66 breaking raise Lucifer?? Whoa! They really are screwed! And Lilith has some strategy! Because she's got demonic minions, gullible dupes like SAM HANE's followers, and assorted other entities etc. in her power structure, they could be going after hundreds of them simultaneously, and she can just sit back and wait while the angels and any allies they have flail away trying cover everything. I don't know how big the angel strike team on Earth is these days, but- ooo. *flails* They can have-! Gnh! They could have people observing for them! But... Arg! *flails some more and babbles senselessly* Things just got way more interesting, and way more believable that the 66 seals would all go down, since they are probably going to before the end of this season, I'm guessing. Ooo! Way to raise the stakes, Kripke and co.! *applauds*

-Angels are losing. Yeah, no wonder.

-Yep. She's an angelic wiretap. Which is why demons want her, and angels want her dead. Security risk. Like I said in the spoiler timeline, I watch "Chuck" *nods* Heh. Random association there. Uriel = John Casey, only not as cuddly? XD

-Orderly is totally a demon coming to break her out. Yep. Ooo! She can see demons?! Hear angels and see demons. Wow.

-Ooo! She has psi-powers too??? Ones she uses without being freaked out by them? What the heck? Is she a late-blooming Psikid? Differently-seeded kid to be a tool for whoever won YED's pageant? Some other Demon's plot? Whoa. So maybe there's other demons seeding kids for a different plot? Ooo! *wriggles with glee*

-Kind of a lack of foresight in nearly blocking the door, though. The orderly on the other side is gonna take more damage when they force that door open. Of course, after the demon smokes out, because his job of getting her out of the hospital is now done. The demon pick up team can go after her now. *nods*

-*GLEE* POOL SHARKING! TEAM WINCHESTER POOL SHARKING FTW!!!! \o/ Sam is such a bad fake drunk. And hee on the "Sam sinks two, possibly three solids off the break" shot. I see what you did there, show. *winks*

-Hi Ruby. Didn't miss you. BTW, you owe Dean about 700 bucks, the 200 they were down and the 500 on the table in the game you disrupted. *glares*

-Anna Milton? As in Milton Milton? Are you kidding me!? That's fantastic! Hey tigriswolf did you catch that? :-D

-Odd camera angle, horses over the bar oddly prominent... I think I've been near that bar... those horses are familiar. *peers*

-"Capture alive." Of course, because she's a wiretap into the angel communication system, an angel-band scanner. She's an asset to demons and a liability to the angels. Either way she's totally hooped.

-... okay, I will admit, Genevieve Cortese is doing a bit better at being awake and involved during her scenes. A bit. She's succeeding in not sucking all the energy and spark out of an argument with Dean, so that's an improvement. I'm kind of wondering if she's having difficulty connecting with the material.

-I totally agree with Dean. They have no reason to trust Ruby. [Rewatch: I still agree with Dean]

-Three days to get there??? Considering it's usually 2 hours to anywhere in the Impala, that's quite impressive. Still, Washington state to the midwest is about that, isn't it?

-"Sure, Dean, let's trade stories." Wow, Sam. You're being a bit of an ass. Considering what Dean just said last time, and that compared to his four months in Hell, your four months were on Earth, messing around with a demon and watching Indiana Jones movies, um. Yeah. Ass.

-Ah, an unshared flashback. 6 months ago. So, right after Dean went down, making current episode time November 18th-ish, and given I'm certain this is going to be continued, that'll keep next episode synched up with real time. Which is making me nervous as frigging hell. *glances nervously at upcoming hiatus*

-Ohhh crossroads. Oh really drunk Sam. (Ooo! Overhead camera angle!) Oh bellowing. Oh Saaaaaaam! *flappy hands* Woo. Entirely appropriate that Sam's wearing the Hoodie of Angst here. *nods and applauds wardrobe performance*

-Written by Sera Gamble. And by inference and assorted reports Sam's probably gonna have sex with a demon. I would never have guessed in a billion years that an episode that might involve a sex scene with Sam would have been written by Sera Gamble. Wow. Shocker. Hee! *pats Sera* Directed by Charles Beeson who's done a few episodes. *nods*

-A guy Red-Eyed-Demon! So the male equivalent of a skimpy black cocktail dress is a cheap suit? I suppose that's better than a ruffled poet shirt, black pleather pants and pirate boots. *shrugs*

-This is a cute RED. I like his eyebrowing. He'd be, what? RED 4? No wait, Johnson's RED, Bela's RED, Dean's first RED, Dean's second RED, Sam's RED, and now this one, making him RED 6. And Sandy was RED 5! Sandy was Luke Skywalker! Woo! \o/ *is an obscure nonsensical sci-fi dork*

-"You shot one of my co-workers." Hee. He's got a valid point there. Also good to have confirmed that there's more than one crossroads demon, and Sam shooting RED 5 didn't end the procedure. *takes notes*

-I love this RED's quirky eyebrow. It's almost toon-like.

-Gyah! Hand pinning! Gyah!

-"I don't want 10 years, I don't want one year, I don't want candy." Ooo. Straight trade places. Oh OW Sam. You really... just. OW. Dean would kick your ass if you told him that part! So, wise editing on the backstory there boyo. Though you also aren't telling Dean that Hell is where Lilith wanted him. Which is also nice to get confirmation on. *looks at mytharc and nods* And your brother really needs to know. All the deal stuff was just to get your brother's soul in Hell. What was it Dean's first RED said? "Your pain is the whole point," something like that? Yep. I thought that was what she was talking about. Breaking Dean. *glances nervously at the future*

-Ooo. He's made peace with his lord. Ooo. Ooo. Very nice touch. Massively creepy. Well delivered, with a sense of earnestness, and yet a nice "I know this creeps you out/How're you sitting with your Lord?" sense. Very awesome. [RED 6 was played by Drew Nelson. Love your eyebrows, man.]

-Oh, the little silent frown, going to say something, don't say something, frown some more in the car! So, so awesome.

-Ward 42. Hitchhikers reference. Cool. So, Anna's the answer to the meaning of life, the universe and everything? Doesn't that make her the planet Earth?

-Schizophrenia. Yep. That's what 90% of hunters and affiliates would get locked up as. Monsters are real? You hear voices? The end of the world is nigh? Suuuure. Remember, it's only paranoia if they aren't really out to get you.

-Oooo, Anna draws well! I love the boys' reactions to the drawings and the psychology woman babbling with subdued and slightly stuffed looking OMG faces. (Pst, Anna, it's SAM HANE. You spelled it wrong. Also, Dean, SAM HANE is not in Revelations the Book of Revelation unless he scrawled himself in there in crayon, but if he did, he probably drew in some jack'o'lanterns. Sigh.)

-Hey, it's the house that belongs to the Milton! Which is either something like "the McKinnon" or belongs to the Milton, as in John Milton, which would make it Cambridge, England and the seventeenth century. Which would explain why it took three days to drive there in the Impala. *nods*

-Bet her folks are dead or possessed. Any takers? Yep, throat slashed, like someone's been making blood-phone calls. Hmm... Really surprised the boys' didn't smell that. Large amounts of congealed blood, two corpses, with all the usual transition from living to corpse... events, even if they aren't rotting yet. But Sam can smell the sulfur, so a head cold is out as an excuse. Maybe there's a meat packing plant nearby and they mistook the smell in the house as the smell from that. *nods*

-Hehehe. She's hiding in a Church. Heh. The demons after her must not be Meg-level if she's still safe in there. Hehe. Ooo. *has silly bunny*

-Ooo! Their shadows go by on the right-side tower windows as they go up the staircase! Well done, show! Nice detail! \o/

-"Sam Winchester?" Oh dear. The girl who hears angels knows your name. This could go bad fast. Or... not. Hunh. Cool.

-"Dean? The Dean?" HA! Not 'best night of her life, Dean', though. Not yet anyways. After all, they've only just met. I mean, I like her, so she's obviously going to die before too long here, but there might be a chance for Dean to sneak in some wooing before she gets inevitably whacked somehow.

-Angels talk about them all the time, some think Dean will help save everything, some really don't like Sam... Dude. The angels are blogging. Heee! Like they've got a Winchester fandom, maybe with, like, ImmortalJournal communities dedicated to the apocalyptic significance of Sam's hair. *giggles*

-Hm... Why does Anna have four points of light in each eye and Sam and Dean only have one? There's not a cluster of four light sources behind Sam and Dean in the scene, and yeah, obviously it's because that's what light they're using for shooting, but it seems an oddly deliberate configuration. *ponders*

-September 18th *nods* So either she hadn't switched on before then, or the angels weren't talking in her reception area because they took the long route to get to earth. *eyes theory nervously*

-First words: "Dean Winchester is saved." Aaaand cue boggle check from Dean. Thank you Dean. Very nice.

-Oh SHUT UP Ruby. Yep, still agreeing with Dean about having no reason to trust Ruby. Her line delivery is showing again, too.

-Ooo! Bleeding statue! That was massively cool, and unexpected. And a cheap special effect!

-Ruby is being... weirdly emphatic and I can't tell if it's meant to mean something or if it's just the odd line delivery. Also good to know, Ruby can cross Holy Ground and enter a Church. Like Meg. No I haven't given up on that yet. I want Meg back, somehow. *pouts*

-Hello, Alastair! Ooo, now there's an entrance! Complete with coming up the stairwell from blackness like he's climbing straight up out of Hell. Nicely done, show! There's a character introduction to rival Castiel's. Not a huge rivalry, but at least it's trying to kick Castiel's massively cool intro in the shins while wearing fuzzy slippers. Much better than Uriel's moody, pissy window-staring.

-I'm getting a Fred!YED vibe from Alastair already, which is fantastic.

-White-eyes! Same kind of 'roll-back' white-eyes as Lilith, not like SAM HANE of the sooper-eeevil novelty contacts. Ooo, so, similar to Lilith level then.

-"I'm wearing a pediatrician." That was far funnier than it had any right to be. Really getting YED vibes from Alastair. That's awesome. Nothing like a good campy evil bastard to perk things up.

-"We were so close." And hundreds of Dean/Alastair fics were born, no doubt.

-Ooo. Dean recognized him. Oh crap. Ohhhh crap. *clutches theory protectively*

-Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaitaminute. ALASTAIR? As in CROWLEY???? O.O OOOOOO!!! Cue Supernatural Good Omens crossovers! Although truth be told, Crowley's a little more grumpy than usual. And where's Aziraphale? No, no, wait. I'm an idiot. Good Omen's Crowley's first name was Anthony. And the other one was Aleister Crowley not Alastair. Damn. *tosses fine pile of cracky theorems*

-Ooo. He's resistant to Ruby's knife! About damn time. Doesn't look like it tickles, exactly, but it's obviously not doing the super-insta-death thing. Also, bye bye pediatrician. We never knew you. Not like he wouldn't have been dead by the time Alastair was done with him, but a knife in the chest kind of confirms it.

-O.O Did the knife break!? Did the knife break!?

-Ow! Glass! Ow! Landing! Owww. Yikes, guys! You aren't cartoon characters! That would be, judging from the height you were at when your shadows passed the window, about a thirty foot drop, followed by a tumble down the cement steps! Ahhh... But! The window they just jumped through is not the same as any of the ones on the front of the Church, so it must have been on the back side of that tower, and facing out over that roof that goes behind the towers and entrance, making the drop maybe twelve feet max, followed by a roll down the shingles and a second drop from the edge of the roof. Totally survivable and much less toon-like. *nods*

-And no, Ruby's knife didn't break. DAMMIT! I was hoping they'd permanently lose a magic item plot device. So Alastair has Ruby's knife and I believe that the implication in "Time is on My Side" was that Bela gave Lilith the Colt, yes? Just keeping track of the set pieces. Wonder why Lilith hasn't used the Colt to re-open the gate yet? Or has she? *ponders*

-Stitches and hotel first aid! Someone's been reading the faaaanfic! With extra booze to support the 'tough guy' image.

-Ooo. Interesting little unobserved look from Dean on him saying "No one good." Hm. Kind of a 'protecting Sammy from something' look, maybe? *ponders*

-Hee. Shoulder on three. One- *squ-runch* Yep, catch it before the muscles can tense in anticipation and make it hurt worse. I think. First aid was a long time ago...

-And again, I still agree with Dean. It could all be a ploy, or part of a plot or something.

-"She saved my life." Here we go.

-Ooo, blonde in the black long-coat has an interesting take on the Ruby vibe. It feels like she's more mature and confident than Katie Cassidy's Ruby or Genevieve Cortese's. Approaching Meg-like. Very cool.

-And Ruby the turncoat has turned again. Less than, what, a week after being sent 'far far away *cr-crick*', she's back on Earth and working for Lilith. Hm... That's not suspicious at all. She's so lucky Lilith trusts her that much. Hah. I smell plot. *ponders*

-Oh come on, Sam, not assassinating you does not count as saving your life! Wait, maybe there's more.

-And turncoat again, back to Sam, so she says. Wow, Ruby's freaking fickle. At least it's a shiny black Matrixy coat she's turning.

-So. She turned on Sam in Hell, and Lilith just let her out right away to get her knife back and kill her former chosen leader? Oh no freaking way. Lilith is not that stupid. If Ruby just switched sides? No way she'd see daylight for a couple months. Shipping her back out right away, makes me think there's a 'look like you're switching allegiances again, get close to him, stick close and... uh. Stage 3=Profit.' *needs brain* Of course she could always be pretending to be pretending to switch sides, really be backing Sam, and until there's a face-off situation we won't see who's surprised who isn't on which side. Really, I think Ruby's on Ruby's side and backs whoever the wind is favoring at any given time, but even so, Lilith had to know she'd turn on her, so why let her loose? And why send her in a frontal attack to kill Sam? Why not get her to re-establish the pre-existing "trust" she had with Sam and slit his throat while he's sleeping? Well, except for the whole "Lilith has everything just the way she wants it, Dean in Hell, and by implication, Sam alive and topside" thing. *ponders* Maybe the frontal assault was a change of plan. Or a plan to make it more likely that Sam would accept her as being out of Hell and on his side again now, or... gah. Needs much more brain. *ponders*

-Incidentally... "Do it." Oh Saaaaaaaaaaaam Gah.

-"You have no idea what I've been through." She's been gone a week, max! Pthplt! And in that time she went to Hell, was subjected to creative torments, betrayed you to Lilith, got out of Hell, found someone to inhabit, went shopping for clothes, tracked you down, laid in wait in your hotel, betrayed Lilith for you, and now she wants fries. Well okay, maybe fries for not stabbing you. But seriously, she was in Hell two days, max. That's like *does painful math* 242 days, eight hours. Compared to Dean's "four months is like forty years in Hell" tour, which as far as Sam knows currently is a 'forever' tour, that's a cakewalk. Particularly considering until all this gate-opening and demons rising business happened, she lived there for the past couple hundred years. Ruby, suck it up and stop whining.

-'Can you help me save Dean? No? There's the curb. Bye.' *nods* Thank you Sam. Even though it's not going to stick.

-Yay! Sam takes a stand on Demon Host rights FTW! [FYI Secretary!Ruby was played by Anna Williams, wish we could've kept her.]

-Ah, and here's coma girl. "Who do I have to kill to get a plate of fries around here?" Hee. How convenient that a young pretty brain-dead comatose woman with no family attachments was available for Ruby to slip into. Things might have been a lot different if the only option available had been a big hairy trucker from New Jersey. *nods*

-SO! As I mentioned in the Spoiler Timeline, Genevieve Cortese's portrayal of Ruby is actually much more perspicacious than I've been giving her credit for; she's doing a fine job of acting like a coma victim. Actually, I'm not being sarcastic there. See, I have a (possibly really insane) theory. Maybe in regular possessions, besides keeping the resident soul around to torment, maybe the demon keeps it around to keep the body running. Given the 'rode hard and put away wet' from Ruby in 'Sin City', they probably keep the hosts running 24/7, in addition to the assorted damage and so forth they take in the course of conducting assorted nefarious activities. No rest, biological systems slowly breaking down due to toxin build-up, the human inside feels the pain and wear and retracts to a point where they are focussed on keeping their body alive. The demon erodes the person away, just doing the basic biological maintenance. Yike. Demons just got a zillion times freakier to me. Of course, this is only theory.

-Anyway, back to Ruby. I figure, if a body was brain-dead, brain activity zero, nothing firing, a possessing demon would need to put way more effort into keeping the body alive, moving, temperature regulated, all those nifty autonomic functions that aren't functioning. Like she's moving, breathing and talking, but the heart monitors which appear to still be attached (cables down front of gown, thingy on finger was detached before the heart monitor stopped so who knows what it was tracking) aren't picking up a heartbeat because she's not gotten around to rebooting it yet, although she'll realize the necessity for a circulatory system soon enough as the oxygen she's pulling in because she's figured out the diaphragm is not doing a thing. Which is why she's gasping. *nods* The hypothalamus and medulla and all that good 'keep everything running' stuff is all offline, and the original occupant is not there to do autopilot duties on the basic respiration, digestion, temperature regulation, etc. I'm guessing after that first plate of fries, Ruby avoided doing much eating since regulating digestion and blood sugar manually has got to be a cast iron bitch. Not to mention waste management. She might keep the body functioning on sugar water and protein drinks just to cut down on the er, personal housekeeping. So, all that basic biology going on in background processes, way less runtime to use on engaging in effective, connected, and intelligible communication. *nods again*

-Because of this completely insane theory, I am now more at peace with this portrayal of Ruby to date. Not dancing with delight, but I have a no doubt entirely erroneous rationale now for some of the quibbles I have with the portrayal of the character. And with that said: Best depiction of a possessed brain-dead corpse ever. Well done Genevieve Cortese. *handwaves with great ceremony* Moving on.

-And no, that still wasn't snarky. At all. What?

-The pump action shotgun with one hand. Ooo. That was shiny. Ooo! And the gun aimed through the door! Sam's well on his way to becoming Mystery Spot Sam. *nods*

-"I recycled." Heh. So is this the long-hinted at 'green' episode?

-New Ruby is actually getting better. A bit. She's still... off. But she's currently being distracted by the background traffic control on a plate of fries, which she probably had to figure out how to turn on taste buds, salivary glands, peristalsis, etc, etc to even eat, let alone enjoy, so that's okay. *pats*

-"I made sure that the spirit was gone." That is a vastly unreassuring statement. There's more than one way to 'make sure' a person is gone... o.O

-'We can't bring Dean back but I can help you go after Lilith'/"Let's go." Wow. Fast switch, Sammy. What about the trying everything to get Dean back you said in 4.01? I guess maybe he dragged Ruby along for that. Whining all the way. That'd've been fun to watch.

-Psychic migraine with nosebleed yay! Just yay! Been waiting for stuff like this since 'Bloody Mary', and it's been so very worth the wait. *hugs Psychic Sammy and hands him a tissue and some Percocet*

-Oh shut up about Dean, Ruby! Grr.

-Oh, here goes the 'I'm the most speciallest demon ever because I remember being human' malarkey again. I still think someone made her retain her memories of being human so she'd be a more useful tool for interacting with whoever won YED's PsychicKid showdown, or whatever. I don't think it's due to any intrinsic personal quality in Ruby.

-Ruby crawling all over Sam. Hm. Take the situation out of the context. Ruby's a possibly once-female cloud of smoke inside a female corpse, Sam's a guy in the depths of self-loathing, desperate, drunk, and emotionally traumatized. Got that? Now, If Sam was female and Ruby was inhabiting a male body, and the exact same lines and reactions took place how would the situation read? Who would be doing what to whom? Or same genders. Whatever. Gender in this case to me is immaterial. Ruby probably selected female as a strategic move, like the blonde hair of the last two hosts, to attain this end. As to the person whose body that was, she's done with it. She left. Or was removed, which, again, is a different kettle of fish. Anyway, to me, either way, it reads like at the very least, Ruby's taking advantage of Sam. She's certainly not taking his very firmly stated unwillingness to engage in sexual activity for an answer.

-And they're off. As far as I'm concerned, Ruby is a smoke cloud wearing a corpse, as always. (Which, yeah, ew Sam, and ow Sam that he was in that dark a place alone, and dammit, Sam you don't know where that thing's been!) The only difference this time is she's piloting it alone, the original owner jumped out (or was pushed, I still have my doubts *eyes Ruby*) Considering how deep Sam was in despair and self-loathing, et cetera? I'm not surprised he broke and did something he obviously considers personally reprehensible on several levels and will no doubt regret later. Self-loathing is a bitch that way.

-Now, on first watch, this scene felt a little "gotta meet the CW's skin quota"-tacked-on. It felt like a lazy-writer convenience of "We need to show a developing emotional connection between these characters, so let's make them boink." However, I think there's more to this. Ruby may have encouraged this in an attempt to forge a bond with Sam. Either in the old-fashioned hormonal appeal way, or by using the sexual act as part of some kind of ritual or spell. She says she used to be a witch gullible person duped by a demon into thinking she was a 'witch', and she's demonstrated the capacity to make anti-hex liquid (which tastes like ass) and has done spell-casty things, and of course the whole 'sacrifice a virgin to get out of jail free' thing. Sex could be a somatic component of some kind of spell. Sex magic, so to speak. *shrug* I'm thinking this... interaction was likely part of Ruby's plan all along, 'gain trust and access, bind emotionally, and again, phase 3 = profit'. Either as a Kingmaker and right hand demon of the new head dude, or right hand demon to the chosen vessel of big L if things go the way I think they will, OR as ultimate betrayer of Lilith's enemy at the no doubt big final confrontation, in order to force Sam to become a vessel for big L, while Lilith gets whatever reward she's expecting, and Ruby becomes Kingmaker (Queenmaker, whatever) again for a different person. A wise character in a book once said something like: the secret of success is not to plan to attain a specific victory, but to plan so that all roads lead to a victory. Ruby has three success paths here, and the only thing screwing it up is Dean. And Angels, and the fact that Ruby's gonna get it in the end, as I don't think her 'reward' for whichever victory she attains will be one she really wants.

-Wow. Shoulders. *blinks*

-Sorry, got distracted there. Also, spinning off from my prior ramblings about the highly unlikely process of a demon possessing a brain dead corpse, that puts that whole sex thing in a waaaay different light for me, as probably I'm the only person who's going to buy that explanation for something no one else wanted explained. There is a lot going on in a human body in that process, more than just the obvious stuff. There's freaking endocrine and hormones and crap to mess with. That would have taken a lot of very deliberate focus to emulate and maintain. Very deliberate action on Ruby's part, and definitely not a moment of wanting to play or any 'needs' or such crap. She's wearing a corpse, all a corpse 'needs' is to decompose, one way or another, and she's not letting it do that.

-On the up side, she might escape the 'everyone who has sex with Sam dies' curse, since she's already dead. Although if she gets cacked before the season is out, I will laugh and laugh and laugh.

-WTF random fireplace? Seriously, does Sam having sex set off fireplaces or what?

-"TMI!" And again, I agree with Dean. Although... that brings up another possibility. This is Sam relating this, and there's a lovely little story-telling device called 'Unreliable Narrator'. Sam told Dean about this incident in apparently tremendous squicky detail... what if he was fabricating it, in whole or in part, to distract Dean from other aspects of what he's been up to? To dissuade Dean from asking any other questions about the missing months for fear of getting a segue into detailed, erm, interpersonal lubrication viscosity report. :-P

-"So far all you've told me about is a manipulative bitch who screwed you, played mind-games with you and did everything in the book to get you to go bad." YES EXACTLY! THANK YOU DEAN!!!

-Five months before now, a month after Dean went down, so early June?

-"You're the only one who can do it, Sam." Oh reaaally? How interesting... O.O Also, who exactly is the 'we' in "We need you to take the bitch out" Ruby? AND while I'm thinking about it, you've been training Sam a month and don't think he's ready to face Lilith. Back in "No Rest for the Wicked" at about 30 hours to go 'til Dean's deadline, you said you could show Sam how to access his powers in order to eradicate Lilith. In 30 hours. Now 30 days isn't enough? Dean never had a chance. You were lying to Sam again to get him to dance to your tune. This has all been about getting Sam to use his powers by any means necessary. I'm not sure exactly why, but I have a theory on what the plan might be for Sam...

-"This isn't what Dean would've wanted." Shut up, Ruby. Gah.

-Nice knife maneuver at the door. BTW Ruby? That whole 'no human spirit' bit also lets Sam know he won't be destroying a human too if he feels the need to stab you with your own knife as you betray him, again, because that's what you do, apparently. *nods*

-I can see the Sam/Ruby thing as somehow being part of a plot, but I'm not getting 'functional ongoing relationship' vibes there. But I'm kind of bad at seeing that kind of stuff. I say plot. *nods*

-Little girl sitting alone at a table surrounded by candy. Yeah, of course it's a trap. With the least menacing demons ever. Must be for a reason. Hm. Under orders to menace Sam, but not kill him, to let Ruby swoop in and 'rescue' him, and cement the whole trust thing? And conveniently provide a live-fire exercise with a demon not safely stuck in a seal of Solomon to try out the demon emetic hand thing! Aha! It makes sense! All a plot. *nods*

-Sammy's getting choked! Hee! By someone his height this time even.

-Also, I am suspicious when demons get into the whole punching each other type fighting. They're beating up each other's hosts. And she's still got the knife, why pull the second demon off Sam at all, why not knife him in the back and get out of there. But no, she pulls him away and starts whacking at him with her borrowed meat. That was a total set-up. First, get Sam to theoretically "bond" with her, then imperil herself so Sam will use his powers to rescue her. Or something. All part of the plot. Or a plot. It's all plots. *nods*

-Speaking of Sam's powers, why is he using his powers? The knife's right there. I guess to hopefully save whatever remains of the poor human bastard the demon's riding around in. Only it doesn't look like it mattered, buddy was looking pretty fixed and glassy when the smoke boiled away. *pats Sam*

-"Ruby came back for me. Whatever you have to say, she saved me. More than that she got through to me. What she said to me, it's what you would've said." If you hadn't been away, slacking off in Hell. Sorry, Sam didn't say that last bit, but it looks kind of like that's what Dean's hearing. Wow. Yeah, ouch? Dean's face as Sam's checking off the list of things. And Dean's face of 'I failed. He's got Ruby now.' Don't give up, Dean. Ruby's tricking Sam. She has him completely snowed.

-Incidentally, also? Remember what RED 6 said earlier this episode? They want Dean in Hell, everything is as they want it, including by inference Sam alive, topside. And Ruby is keeping Sam alive, topside. Who's side is she really on again, hmm? ;-)

-I LOVE MACHIAVELLIAN PLOTTING!!! And to me, all this is potentially part of plotting! *chortles and rubs hands gleefully*

-OH PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE CAN WE KEEP HOUSEKEEPING!RUBY!!!!! Please! Please!!!! That was the best Ruby yet! Ever! OMFG! She can get a leather duster and an awesome hat and some kick-ass boots and follow them around in a, a, I dunno, a Buick or something, being snappy and snarky all day and trying to order them around before betraying them again and again and I WOULD NOT MIND! I don't even mind that the boys apparently followed her orders there without questioning, I think she is THAT AWESOME! \o/ Her short portrayal of Ruby there was someone I could like as an adversary character! OMG! I WANNA SEE HER ARGUE WITH DEAN!!1! *fangirls like whoa* Hee! [She was played by the awesome Michelle Hewitt-Williams, who I've never heard of before. You kick ass, girl! \o/]

-Also, her being so vibrant supports my 'New Ruby is being distracted by biology' theory, because the Housekeeping person's original spirit is still in there running the autonomic stuff and biological things, so Ruby is more able to focus on effective communication. Ah HAH! QED! *nods*

-"Don't take the car?" Wait, what? So the Impala is stuck at the hotel, supposedly under watch by hostile demons?? *is ridiculously worried for the safety of the car*

-Heh. That must've been a fun afternoon for Anna. Sitting alone in an abandoned room with a 6 month old corpse full of undigested fries... and... other things. Ewww!

-"Guess I owe you." I owe you?? Stow that frigging noise, Dean! She's turning your brother! She's manipulating him and events massively! He would have pulled out on his own, because he's a Winchester, and undoubtedly gone all Mystery Spot Sam on his own, as he was beginning to when she showed up, maybe got his own powers to work somehow. Maybe he'd have even gone back to talking to Bobby, if Ruby hadn't interfered with her own (or someone else's) agenda. Aside from seducing him and doing 'suck the demon outta this guy' drills, I didn't see much in the way of training. You do not owe her jack-all, Dean. She's plotting.

-[I am entirely SUFFUSED WITH SQUEE over the depth of the potential plotting! \o/]

-Oh, Anna. Oh poor Anna. I love that she makes squawky noises, goes fetal and rocks when she hears about her parents. A genuine reaction, instead of some kind of emo wibbling at an angle intended to best display cheekbones or whatever. She just folds right up. I love that. It makes her seem more real. And the hair everywhere and the very moist "Why is this happening to me?" I totally love Anna. Can we keep her? Please? I still get the feeling she's going to be dying though. She's got that 'doomed' feel, since she's being targeted by both sides.

-"They're coming." ...waaait, she hears angels. Why is everyone panicking about angels coming? For that matter, why is she freaked? No one at this point knows Castiel and Uriel are after her, though given what she can do, and what that means strategically for the side of the angels, it's entirely possible the more strategically savvy in the room have figured it out.

-Whoopsie, lost your knife, sorry Ruby. I so wish it had broken. Just snapped right off. Too many powerful magic items and tricks roaming free round here.

-Hey look. Ruby, Dean and Sam are in an AT&T commercial. The heights thing. *is incomprehensible again*

-[Did the CW need another commercial break that badly??]

-See? Angels. Knowing that Castiel and Uriel would be showing up kind of sucks the tension out there. Although if it hadn't been in the episode blurb and the previously by inference, the credits would have given it away. I guess it'd be kind of silly to hold plot-significant actor credits to the end in a "BTW, Also starring Misha Collins and Robert Wisdom" section.

-"Stain." Ooo. Nasty.

-"She has to die." Yep. Hm. Dean doesn't look terribly surprised by that. Wonder if he did figure that out before the angels showed up.

-And a TBC. And I'm finally done with all the spoilers for this episode. Cue credits. Have I mentioned how much I freaking hate spoilers? I'd be clawing my way back from orbit now instead of just dropping gracefully from the ceiling.


So, Sam is a damaged, damaged boy, and Ruby is up to something for someone, probably, and manipulating the crap out of Sam and the situation as suits whatever agenda she's following. Glad they did the four months as a flashback instead of the originally intended couple episodes while leaving Dean in Hell. Gahhh.

Now, poll!

Given the "she can't save Dean from Hell/Sam can save Dean from Hell and she can show him how in under 30 hours/she has no idea how to save Dean from Hell, but hey let's go whack Lilith now, but not yet" and Lilith letting her out of Hell even though she had to know Ruby was most likely going back to Sam stuff...

Ruby is:

solely self-interested and self-serving
7(30.4%)
serving Lilith
5(21.7%)
serving Sam
0(0.0%)
serving Alastair
0(0.0%)
serving someone else
3(13.0%)
serving her 1,000,000,000th sworn liege, for the next 3 seconds only
3(13.0%)
serving french fries
3(13.0%)
the speciallest most sparkly demon evar, OMG!!1!
2(8.7%)

Best Ruby to 4.09 - On portrayal of the entity of Ruby, as you perceive that character's personality. Appearance is as immaterial as a change of clothing.

Katie Cassidy (Original Ruby)
6(26.1%)
Genevieve Cortese (New Ruby)
2(8.7%)
Anna Williams (Secretary Ruby)
5(21.7%)
Michelle Hewitt-Williams (Housekeeper Ruby)
10(43.5%)

Why are there no ticky boxes?

LJ ran out, that world economic thing caused a shortage
0(0.0%)
CaffieneKitty has been awake two solid days and is brain dead.
0(0.0%)
Ruby stole them as part of her evil plan, just like she stole the SPOTLIGHTS off the Impala!
3(13.0%)
They're hiding from the angels.
1(4.3%)
But... wait... aren't these.... I'm confused.
5(21.7%)




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malevolent73 From: malevolent73 Date: November 17th, 2008 05:44 am (UTC) (Link)
Wow, so much to absorb and all I can think to say is that I totally noticed that 4 lights in Anna's eyes thing and thought it was odd and I'm SO glad someone else saw it too! LOL

I wish I could just let go of the Ruby hate, but it is an albatross around my neck. I agree with the Secretary!Ruby being awesome, and the housekeeper!Ruby being epic, but coma!Ruby grates on my every last nerve.

Great episode. Great recap/review.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 17th, 2008 09:36 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh, I'm not trying to get people to like coma!Ruby, I just needed to find a way to rationalise her acting before my head exploded. Now when she's sucking the life out of a scene, I can appreciate her ability to act like a walking corpse. Sort of. *twitches*
charis_kalos From: charis_kalos Date: November 17th, 2008 06:30 am (UTC) (Link)
not looking, not looking. not looking - because apparently 4.09 isn't going to be screened in Australia until 2009!

WAH! *cries like a hungry, angry baby*
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 17th, 2008 09:42 am (UTC) (Link)
I wish I could help you, but I'm not about to encourage you to go darkside to get access to them beforehand, because I know your stand on such things.

I suspect fandom may be getting quite loud during the hiatus, so be prepared to duck and cover. :-/
pinkphoenix1985 From: pinkphoenix1985 Date: November 17th, 2008 10:30 am (UTC) (Link)
loved your review! ITA!!
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 17th, 2008 04:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
Cool!
maimat From: maimat Date: November 17th, 2008 02:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
I love your optimism in TPTB.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 17th, 2008 04:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's weirding me out that I have this odd trust that Kripke knows what he's doing, and that it'll all pay off in the end. I can't think of anything they could do that would make me stop watching at this point.
maimat From: maimat Date: November 17th, 2008 05:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
I love the show and nothing would stop me from watching, I just question the evidence of a BIG PLAN behind it all. But this season is renewing my optimism!
msdori From: msdori Date: November 17th, 2008 05:17 pm (UTC) (Link)

Here via kroki_refur

And Sandy was RED 5! Sandy was Luke Skywalker! Woo! \o/ *is an obscure nonsensical sci-fi dork*


BWAH!

-Angels talk about them all the time, some think Dean will help save everything, some really don't like Sam... Dude. The angels are blogging. Heee! Like they've got a Winchester fandom, maybe with, like, ImmortalJournal communities dedicated to the apocalyptic significance of Sam's hair. *giggles*


Okay, I'm fangirling you as of right now. *G*

I really like your theory of Ruby having to run the meatsuit, that makes a lot of sense to me. I think maybe there's a learning curve, though, and she'll get to a point where she doesn't have to pay attention as much, once she figures out all the routing paths.

This is a wonderful thinky post, thank you. I'm still sort of blinded by OMGmuscles!Sam (*G*), but there is some cool stuff here that I can chew on. I really like your analysis of Ruby's motivations, wow.

Edited at 2008-11-17 05:18 pm (UTC)
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 18th, 2008 07:28 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Here via kroki_refur

*glee* I love kroki_refur's stuff!

Okay, I'm fangirling you as of right now. *G*

*blushes*

I really like your theory of Ruby having to run the meatsuit, that makes a lot of sense to me. I think maybe there's a learning curve, though, and she'll get to a point where she doesn't have to pay attention as much, once she figures out all the routing paths.

I would be thrilled if Genevieve Cortese started giving less stilted performances. It's frustrating to watch, hence this whacked out theory to explain why this Ruby's... different, and I'm getting more attached to it as an explanation for how demons operate myself. :-)

I really like your analysis of Ruby's motivations, wow.

I love twisted multi-layered who's on who's side why and who's side are they on really plots and Ruby's been ringing the 'Kingmaker' and 'backstabber' bells for me since the start. I hope it plays out on the show with some complexity.
anniehow From: anniehow Date: November 17th, 2008 05:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
If Sam was female and Ruby was inhabiting a male body, and the exact same lines and reactions took place how would the situation read? Who would be doing what to whom? Exactly! If we'd had Samantha the hunter and Rufus the demon, the wank storm would have reached the moon. It's already bad enough this way. It's like sex cannot be used, ever, in a story, unless as an expression of twu wuwe, otherwise it's Made Of Fail *ponders* Is this an American prudish thing? I am honestly asking.

I didn't notice the "I made sure the spirit was gone", but now that you point it out O.o so true!
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 18th, 2008 07:57 am (UTC) (Link)
I have a HUGE response typed up for this but the browser crashed loading something in the background *smacks Safari*

It's like sex cannot be used, ever, in a story, unless as an expression of twu wuwe, otherwise it's Made Of Fail *ponders*

I think sexual activity can be used in a story do demonstrate character, character development, plot points, any number of things, and not necessarily 'twu wuv' even when it claims to. It's just that usually it's being used as a fast, cheap way to show emotional closeness between characters or to tittilate the audience. And really, I don't think either is the case here, I think it does reveal how desperate and wrecked Sam is at that point, and how intent Ruby is on forging that connection to him.

Is this an American prudish thing? I am honestly asking.

Well, I'm not American, so I can't speak to that, but Canada shares a cutural background with the US, sort of, with several variations. I don't think it's any kind of a cultural thing, really. *shrugs*

I didn't notice the "I made sure the spirit was gone", but now that you point it out O.o so true!

Double-speak is very much something to watch for in demons. Not lying, but telling the truth in such a way that people believe the lie they are thinking.
anniehow From: anniehow Date: November 18th, 2008 11:18 am (UTC) (Link)
I have a HUGE response typed up for this but the browser crashed loading something in the background

*headsplode* Language is insufficient to express how much I hate it when that happens!
blackcat333_99 From: blackcat333_99 Date: November 17th, 2008 08:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
-"So far all you've told me about is a manipulative bitch who screwed you, played mind-games with you and did everything in the book to get you to go bad." YES EXACTLY! THANK YOU DEAN!!!

YES YES YES. I do not trust Ruby. Not at all. I wish I wasn't getting mixed signals from TPTB about whether or not we're suppposed to see her as Untrustworthy Manipulative Bitch vs. Misunderstood Demon with a Heart of Gold. Because the first one I can get behind and enjoy disliking Ruby, and the second option just... doesn't work for me. I have hope, but it's not strong and confident in this regard. But oh well. I can just handwave the second tier character to the background in my mind and focus on Teh Boyz. Makes everything better. :)
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 18th, 2008 07:59 am (UTC) (Link)
I wish I wasn't getting mixed signals from TPTB about whether or not we're suppposed to see her as Untrustworthy Manipulative Bitch vs. Misunderstood Demon with a Heart of Gold.

I think it's Untrustworthy Manipulative Bitch fronting as a Misunderstood Demon with a Heart of Gold, myself. No reason she can't be both.
tigriswolf From: tigriswolf Date: November 18th, 2008 05:25 am (UTC) (Link)
I did catch Anna Milton! I squeed.

I hadn't thought about all those biological things the human body takes care of on its own. Eeeew.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: November 18th, 2008 08:03 am (UTC) (Link)
I did catch Anna Milton! I squeed.

Considering what you've been writing lately, I would have been surprised if you didn't! :-)

I hadn't thought about all those biological things the human body takes care of on its own. Eeeew.

It's a busy biological process, a human bodyt is. Look at how long it takes a human child to learn things, (speaking, walking, personal hygiene and so forth) and that's without consciously running their autonomic systems. Ruby probably can't walk and chew gum at the same time right now.
charis_kalos From: charis_kalos Date: May 5th, 2009 08:03 am (UTC) (Link)
Okay, you're millions of episodes further on, but having just seen 4.09 and read your post on it, here's my response.

600 seals of which any 66 breaking raise Lucifer?? Whoa! They really are screwed!

Yep, this has freaked me out. Because if they have no idea which ones of the 600 … But it has made me wonder why there weren’t 666 seals. Or maybe the 666 is the combination of the 600 and the 66. But the 66 are part of the 600, and not in addition to them.

But anyway, point is, they’re screwed!

*GLEE* POOL SHARKING! TEAM WINCHESTER POOL SHARKING FTW!!!!

I loved this. Especially the exchange of looks between the boys.

Anna Milton? As in Milton Milton? Are you kidding me!? That's fantastic! Hey tigriswolf did you catch that? :-D

I picked this up – and instantly texted yasminke.

"Sure, Dean, let's trade stories." Wow, Sam. You're being a bit of an ass.

No, massively frustrated little brother who just wants Dean to goddamn share!

Ohhh crossroads. Oh really drunk Sam.

YES!!!!!! Poor Sammy!

Ooo. He's made peace with his lord. Ooo. Ooo. Very nice touch. Massively creepy.

Yes, I instantly thought back to the conversation between Dean and Casey in Sin City and the really creepy ‘faith in Lucifer’ stuff.

Also, Dean, SAM HANE is not in Revelations the Book of Revelation unless he scrawled himself in there in crayon, but if he did, he probably drew in some jack'o'lanterns. Sigh.)

I was guessing that this was a reference to the “real” Revelations rather than what Bobby called the tourist version. *don’t think about actual biblical interpretation; don’t think about actual biblical interpretation*

Angels talk about them all the time, some think Dean will help save everything, some really don't like Sam... Dude. The angels are blogging.

Bloody angels! Why don’t they like my beloved Sammy? It’s not his fault he ended up with Azazel’s blood, and given that he’s had demon blood in him all his life he’s done pretty damn well. *wants to get on ImmortalJournal to remind angels about faith, hope and forgiveness*

Bleeding statue! That was massively cool, and unexpected. And a cheap special effect!

Does this mean that all bleeding statues actually signal the approach of demons? ‘Cos that’s scary.

Stitches and hotel first aid! Someone's been reading the faaaanfic! With extra booze to support the 'tough guy' image.

But why was Sam sewing up himself? Fanfic has the boys taking care of each other.

But seriously, she was in Hell two days, max. That's like *does painful math* 242 days, eight hours.

Maybe Lilith was able to mess more with time as well as space? So Ruby might have been in Hell for centuries.

The pump action shotgun with one hand. Ooo. That was shiny. Ooo! And the gun aimed through the door! Sam's well on his way to becoming Mystery Spot Sam. *nods*

My heart was breaking for Sam here. This is not the Sam that Dean wanted to save!

And they're off. As far as I'm concerned, Ruby is a smoke cloud wearing a corpse, as always.

Text messages:
Me: Did Sam just commit necrophilia?
Yasminke: Yeah, I think so.

"So far all you've told me about is a manipulative bitch who screwed you, played mind-games with you and did everything in the book to get you to go bad." YES EXACTLY! THANK YOU DEAN!!!

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE CAN WE KEEP HOUSEKEEPING!RUBY!!!!! Please! Please!!!! That was the best Ruby yet! Ever! OMFG!

Yes. Absolutely yes. I loved that Ruby. And it does support the idea that something of the host’s mannerisms affect the demon, because that was a sassy Ruby!

"Guess I owe you." I owe you?? Stow that frigging noise, Dean! ... He would have pulled out on his own, because he's a Winchester

He’s the absolutely last Winchester standing, with no hope of getting his brother out of hell. I don’t think he would have pulled out on his own. I think he would have done the deliberate kamikaze thing and thus would end the whole sorry saga that started with Mary’s deal.

caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: May 5th, 2009 04:06 pm (UTC) (Link)
But anyway, point is, they’re screwed!

Totally. They had to do something like this to explain why the angels werent just camping out at one or two seals to stop Lillith from getting them all.

No, massively frustrated little brother who just wants Dean to goddamn share!

Well, yeah... I guess being caring and sensitive about it isn't the Winchester way. I also saw it as a bit of a defensive thing, though, to get Dean to shut down his line of questioning by poking a sore spot.

I was guessing that this was a reference to the “real” Revelations rather than what Bobby called the tourist version. *don’t think about actual biblical interpretation; don’t think about actual biblical interpretation*

Hee! Yeah, that way lies great pain, I think.

*wants to get on ImmortalJournal to remind angels about faith, hope and forgiveness*

I really want to know what you think of some upcoming (for you) episodes.

Does this mean that all bleeding statues actually signal the approach of demons? ‘Cos that’s scary.

I doubt it, just this one in particular had that effect this time.

But why was Sam sewing up himself? Fanfic has the boys taking care of each other.

The implication is, I think that Sam had to sew his own arm up before he reset Dean's shoulder. With a dislocated shoulder, Dean would be unlikely to be able to do stitches.

My heart was breaking for Sam here. This is not the Sam that Dean wanted to save!

That Sam's still in there. Just more of a challenge.

Did Sam just commit necrophilia?

Heh, yeah, half of fandom was yelling about it when it happened (and before, when the spoilerphiles found out)
charis_kalos From: charis_kalos Date: May 5th, 2009 10:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
*wants to get on ImmortalJournal to remind angels about faith, hope and forgiveness*
I really want to know what you think of some upcoming (for you) episodes.


I'm really worried! Because for me if you're bringing in angels and the probability of God then there should be more faith, hope, love and forgiveness - those being mandatory when God's involved. But Show seems to be going in the opposite direction - there was more light around when there were just demons and Sam's tiny sliver of hope in something more.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: May 6th, 2009 03:52 am (UTC) (Link)
*is saying nothing due to spoilers*
charis_kalos From: charis_kalos Date: May 6th, 2009 06:00 am (UTC) (Link)
I struggle with the Zen of Kripke. I don't know how I'm going to get through this season. But I'm looking forward to reading your episode posts as I get to see the episodes.
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