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Reaction: Supernatural 4.11 - Mild pondering included.
Spoiler and Theorizing Timeline

OMG, the whole hiatus and this is all the spoilerage I have for this episode?

-Nov 11th Widely disseminated comments from Jim Beaver's Myspace. Bobby will not be appearing in this episode.

-Sometime in December Somewhere. Title "Family Remains". Okay, so possibly more skeletons from the Winchester closet, but I do hope they're going to use the other implication of 'remains' as well, in that "When all else is gone, family remains" sense. *nods* Which makes me even more miffed at the absence of Bobby.

-Jan 8 [Hunh. Didn't expect to carry that spoiler forward... *is confused*]

-Jan 15 AM [Delayed crack theorizing results in intriguingly possible, yet completely erroneous theory, which has been retroactively removed lest it morph into another damned plot-bunny.]


So woo! No spoilers, really! Thank you to everyone who kept things under cuts! You rock!


Reaction to Supernatural 4.11 - "Family Remains"

Heh. The local affiliate for the CW has changed. It's now JoyTV. This seems appropriate *nods* Kinda short and missing details because it's only two watchthroughs, but I have SCHEDULE FROM HELL upcoming at work and if I don't post a reaction tonight then I won't get it posted until... March. :-P

-Oooo... houuuuuuuuse. *grabby hands*

-Yes, skeezy man. Turn the lamp on and off. That will make the electricity work.

-Home Sweet Home thing in blood. Bet Kripke's been waiting for a chance to do that for years.

-Sleeping in the car! YAY!

-Also third canon use of Yahtzee! as an affirmative by Dean. Yay for continuity!

-A month of non-stop, relentless hunting. Oooo. Can we get a montage? No? so, date-wise that makes this about... what? Mid-December? Unless there was time that passed before the month of relentless hunting, but it doesn't seem that way.

-Awww, sleepy grumpy Sammy. He looks about six with that expression. *tousles his hair* Hee! He must be folded about double to fit in the back seat of the Impala.

-Stratton, Nebraska, was it? Under 400 people. How does a town that small have a better webpage than a local village near me with about a ten times as many people?

-Aw. That face on Dean after Sam lies down to go back to sleep. Deeeeean....

-Heh. Sold sign. Are they gonna surprise the new owners or be surprised? That was kind of fast too... Hey, how long's this guy been dead, did they say?

-Hey! It's the house from Faith with a new paint job, isn't it? The exterior? Maybe not. Stairs might be different. Hmm.

-They're being waaaa-aaatched. *smirks at Monster cam*

-Man, the linoleum in that kitchen is crap. Look at it, all peeling up there in the corner and brown and cruddy. That'll knock as much off the saleability of a house as being right under a major set of power lines and a recent death.

-Ooo, a blocked-over pass-through? No, a dumbwaiter. Okay, guys, save yourselves a lot of annoyance and just bust in the dumbwaiter now. You'll be doing it later anyway, it's a rule. If there is a dumbwaiter, or anything plastered up or blocked over, it will be significant to the plot. It's, like, a law.

-Hee! Smirky Dean!

-... wow. Either someone in the writing room is an old school cyberpunk fan, or legal totally fell down on the 'checking names' job. Bill Gibson? As in William Gibson? Seriously?

-Only last week, the house got inspected, so after purchase? Dumbass. Well, unless these people had a lightning fast lawyer, financing, realtor, moving company, and so forth and went from inspection a week ago through purchase and financing to moving in today.

-OH NOES! IT'S A DEAD ZONE??? Okay, that's it, they're screwed! HA!! Guess Verizon's doing some more subtle product placement, eh? XD

-Stanwyck and Babar?? A cartoon elephant, Dean? O.o

-*insert lewd side-reference to Dean's trunk here if you absolutely must*

-"Go away family, you have asbestos in the walls and there's fines and things. Shoo!" Yeeeah, that's totally not gonna hold 'em.

-See, now, me? After the family left, I'd go straight back into the house and bust in the dumbwaiter undertake a fast and thorough search of the place while I still had access to it. And then bust in the dumbwaiter.

-Monster Cam again! Someone or something is definitely physically present in the house.

-Yeah, little monster-chow. Move in and bond with the thing in your closet. Gah. IDIOTIC CHILD!! He's got First Victim tattooed all over him, except he's under the age of majority, so he'll be fine and one of his adult family members will cack in his place. I'm betting on the spare Uncle the nuclear family thoughtfully brought along doing duty as an ablative shield.

-Baseballs and doll heads. Not a typical mix of playthings, but I'd say some variation on 'lost/neglected' child.

-I gotta say, I love the casting done for the guests. They're awesome, they're playing it straight and serious and not in an "Oh god, I'm in a horror show on the CW, I wonder what's on the craft services truck today?" way.

-"We tell 'em the truth."/"Really?"/"Naw, not really." HA! *hugs the dialog*

-I am very much liking the air of tension they are managing to build. Very nice.

-HANDLICKING MONSTER!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA! Also EW!!! Never pat anything or let it lick you without seeing what it is first. This is a good rule to live by.

-Aw, crap, the dog got out. It's toast, isn't it? Yep, poor dog. Monster-girl can die now. :-(

-Omg, she screwed with the Impala and took the guns too?? She's totally dead. Thou shalt not screw with the Impala. It's more than a law, it's a commandment.

-Also to do all that in that short amount of time, she is lightning fast!

-Yay, salt! \o/

-I'm thinking that there's a lot of stuff their realtor never told them about the place. Bad realtor! No cookie!

-This is feeling a little like "Roadkill" in that it's a kind of intro to Supernatural-ish. Might be the amount of time we're spending with the guest cast, might be the 'Better than Scooby-Doo' exposition, but feels like "Roadkill" I don't recognize any of the guest actors from anywhere else; are any of them 'stunt-casts?'

-Oh, Dean. *pats gently*

-... Hey, where's Sam gone?

-Oh, I totally bet the creepy girl is salt-proof. She's physical, the monster cam shots earlier made that clear. Yep! Not a ghost. So, ghoul, maybe? Or just a Bender-style abandoned child?

-Oooo! "Humans." \o/ I can't even explain why.

-Oh yeah. Large group of people with a murderous chick after them and no one keeps an eye on the youngest and (hypothetically) most vulnerable member of the group. Although who knows, maybe the kid's got a black belt in Tae Kwon Do.

-Bet there's a trap door in the shed coming underground from the house...

-"Smell that?"/"Every day." Ooo, and awww.

-Running around in the walls! Yay! And there's a hole. There's no way he's gonna fit- HOLY CRAP. Okay, that was cool.

-Oh ho! Two figures painted in blood on the wall. *sings* Two people in blood on the wall, two people in blood, / if only one person is chasing you all, / why are there two people in blood on the wall? *stops singing* That plus the statistic that severed doll heads and baseballs rarely have a crossover fanbase among children.... I call a brother-sister team of wall-dwellers. *nods*

-Uh oh. Ted's wandering around on his own, aaaand, yep, Ted's dead. Good job bringing a spare relative to soak up the plot-mandated damage, Mr and Mrs. Gibson and offspring! Well done! *golf clap*

-Oh, hey, there's some trace of PTSD there of some kind for Dean, isn't there? He looks a bit extra squirrelly.

-"Why this happens?" Does your family have Weirdness Magnet and everywhere you go you get haunted? Whoa, wait up. ANDY???? Not our Andy? Oh! Please, I don't even know or care how, please let these random house-of-death-buying idiots be in some way connected to Andy Gallagher! If we can't have him in person, I'll take a backstory or cross-reference! No, no, wait. Ted can be a version of Andrew so it's the Uncle or some other non-Andy Gallagher relation. *shakes finger at writers for casually tossing the name Andy around*

-"The last God-forsaken thing I do", hunh Dean? Ow.

-Pregnant. Yep. I know where that's going. :-P

-"Like you know what Hell's like." Wow. Dean's kinda chippy. That month of solid hunting was obviously not long enough for him to process things yet. Or he's got part two of a "what I did in Hell" coming up, because the self-loathing is coming off him in waves, and yet in a way that doesn't quite jive with the end of 4.10. Dean's got something else to say. And he doesn't want to say it, or have anything to do with it.

-Nightvision Cam is weird, green and grainy, and I'm really not sure why they're using it there if it's not representing how the creepy girl sees, and it doesn't seem to be since she's visible on it. Unless it's a second person watching...

-[OH WOW! I just noticed, the new tv carrier in my area, not only does it not shoot bright green crap all over the screen, it doesn't have a station bug!!! The little doohickey in the corner. Nothing! *glomphs new channel and never ever wants it to change*]

-Mmmm. Raw rat. Nummy. :-P

-See, guys? Bust in the dumbwaiter first, and you'll sidestep straight to the end. Or at the very least you would've found your gear and weapons. *nods*

-"I will. Let me." Dean's a leeeeeetle bit off the rails.... he's not coping well. There's also the "you are an untrained civvie moron, and I've been hunting weird crap my whole life. Get outta the way." factor, but this is a more personal issue, I think. This will be interesting to watch. God I love Jensen Ackles' acting!

-HA! Brother! My earlier singing was justified. *nods*

-That kid is gonna need some serious therapy. They both are.

-Where'd they get all the spare tires? Ooo! Maybe they snagged all the spare tires from the other vehicles, or grabbed the ones they figured would make it from Nebraska to South Dakota to pick up new tires at Bobby's, since he's probably still in the Caribbean.

-Ah, chat time under a bridge instead of on the roadside. Uh oh. Dean's not eating. This is bad, y'all! O.O

-'I enjoyed it.' OOOOO. Really? I can hear the capslocking in some circles from here. It seems a little bit of an afterthought of a scene, but really, I prefer this progressing now rather than another few episodes of "what's eating Dean" in this case. It moves his character arc along. Now we know, in a nutshell, what's happened, we can move on to the next phase, and keep the character and mytharc rolling. *nods*

-Actually, I was thinking about this earlier in the week. One thing Dean does, is he adapts. Like the Production Assistant thing, like jail in Folsom Prison Blues. Dean adapts. After he gave in and got off the rack, he probably started adapting to Hell. It's not pretty, and it's not heroic and it's not a common thing to have one of the heroes of a story admitting stuff like this, but... I can accept it. From here, I can see how there could be some really juicy character and mytharc development in the wrks. It's part of a larger arc and character process, I am certain, and I trust Kripke and Jensen to pull this off. *nods*

-Awwww, lookit Sammy's sad little puppy faaaaaaaaace!!!!

-[OMG AND JOYTV HAS REAL FULL-SCREEN CREDITSAND NO FRIGGING PROMO!!! *hugs new and aptly-named station*]



NO SPOILERS IN COMMENTS, OR REFERENCES TO ANY PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL OR PREVIEWS FOR UNAIRED EPISODES, PLEASE.

ETA: Will check F-list later tonight, work is evil, gah.

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pinkphoenix1985 From: pinkphoenix1985 Date: January 16th, 2009 10:35 am (UTC) (Link)
loved your review!! and I think that you're right about the character arc thing.

I just love how this season is shaping up to be an AWESOME season!
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: January 16th, 2009 04:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thank you!

I just love how this season is shaping up to be an AWESOME season!

We're getting into some real meaty stuff here and there along with the gore, aren't we? :-)
pinkphoenix1985 From: pinkphoenix1985 Date: January 16th, 2009 08:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
oh yeah! XD
gigglingkat From: gigglingkat Date: January 16th, 2009 12:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
-... Hey, where's Sam gone?

-... with Jared Padalecki to shoot Friday the 13th pickups and piss off the fanbase again.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: January 16th, 2009 04:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, really? I was unaware of that. Hunh. Actually, I hadn't meant it as a 'where's Sam, is he even in this episode' a la "No Exit", just that I'd missed where Sam had gone while Dean was babysitting the mundanes. :-)
starrylizard From: starrylizard Date: January 16th, 2009 01:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
*Agrees* Dean does adapt and I think most people would be insane after what happened if they couldn't adapt. What's that syndrome where you empathise with your jailer? Could be that sort of thing too... Annnyway.

A bit too classic horror for me, but plenty of brother moments to keep me watching. :)
anniehow From: anniehow Date: January 16th, 2009 03:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
Stockholm Syndrome. Emphatise and identify. Yep. Textbook case, I'd say. Not only that but the "enjoying" could have actually been hysteria. Dean's not the most reliable narrator on himself, innit?
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: January 16th, 2009 04:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh absolutely!! Plus he's always tended to be negative about himself under his snark armour, so of course he's going to take whatever happened in the worst possible way and beat himself with it. Gaaaah, Deeeean!
starrylizard From: starrylizard Date: January 17th, 2009 12:11 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, he seems to forgive everyone but himself. He needs to be perfect. *wibble* And Sam's sad puppy eyes. Says it all, I think.
starrylizard From: starrylizard Date: January 17th, 2009 12:09 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, though I totally believe him when he says it. I believe he believes it. I haven't read any other reviews yet, but I bet some people have smoke coming out their ears in anger over this scene. To me though, it just rang so true, probably for the reasons we've just mentioned above. Oh Dean!
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: January 16th, 2009 04:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
What's that syndrome where you empathise with your jailer?

Yes! That! I Was thinking of that last night but it was after 2 AM and my brain died.

A bit too classic horror for me, but plenty of brother moments to keep me watching. :)

Yep. A lot of stuff about the family, but I think this was a kind of 'refresher' episode to sum up the show and hook any of the new audience that might decide to check it out after seeing (or hearing about) MBV3D and F13, and for that, a classic horror pattern to the episode is what will probably hook them best. I think. Really, I know nothing :-)
From: veristic Date: January 16th, 2009 02:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
Actually, I was thinking about this earlier in the week. One thing Dean does, is he adapts. Like the Production Assistant thing, like jail in Folsom Prison Blues. Dean adapts. After he gave in and got off the rack, he probably started adapting to Hell. It's not pretty, and it's not heroic and it's not a common thing to have one of the heroes of a story admitting stuff like this, but... I can accept it. From here, I can see how there could be some really juicy character and mytharc development in the wrks. It's part of a larger arc and character process, I am certain, and I trust Kripke and Jensen to pull this off. *nods*

I think you're completely spot-on with this.... he adapted and had no clue that he was ever getting out.

Edited at 2009-01-16 02:10 pm (UTC)
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: January 16th, 2009 04:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
he adapted and had no clue that he was ever getting out.

*nods* Exactly. I love that about Dean, that adaptability, and at the same time it's a big OWWWW! in that situation, because in order to give in and go there, he had to lose the hope that Sam or anyone would find a way to get him out, which is also the idea behind a fic I wrote this hiatus "Unstuck" so I'm dancing with a little 'yay, canon!' glee over that ;-) *nods again*
malevolent73 From: malevolent73 Date: January 16th, 2009 02:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
The mom was Supergirl in the original movie (Can't think of her name) and she guestied as Clark's Cryptonian mom on Smallville. I've totally seen the dad before and the son. Can't think of where.

OMG, I thought the same damn thing about "Andy"! You're so cool. :)

I can't believe you called Dean's speech at the end. And the brother sister thing. You're like a detective! :)

Oh yeah that line, "You smell that?" "Everyday.", also had me saddy sad. *pets Dean*
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: January 16th, 2009 05:06 pm (UTC) (Link)
The mom was Supergirl in the original movie (Can't think of her name) and she guestied as Clark's Cryptonian mom on Smallville. I've totally seen the dad before and the son. Can't think of where.

Ahhh, okay. *nods* That explains more of the 'Roadkill' feel.

OMG, I thought the same damn thing about "Andy"! You're so cool. :)

You don't randomly and enigmatically drop the name 'Andy' into an SPN episode and have it be anyone else. That's just cruel. *pouts and misses Andy*

I can't believe you called Dean's speech at the end. And the brother sister thing.

It feels a little weird typing up the notes after, because I'm like 'okay, people are going to think I went back and added this', but it's all from notes, just fleshed out. The scrawl for the brother sister thing was: 2ppl wall omg doll + bb = bro/sis. The singing and such was added, er, post production. XD

Oh yeah that line, "You smell that?" "Everyday.", also had me saddy sad. *pets Dean*

Gaaaah. I know and he's not being snarky there, and that's a major cue for 'something's eating Dean, because if he was okay, he would have made it a snark about Sam's socks something. Instead it's just a flat, straight out statement. His armour's more cracks than pieces, and he's showing hurt all over the place. Very very ow that line. *nods*
datenshiblue From: datenshiblue Date: January 16th, 2009 02:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
Good review. Your optimism and common sense are helping my somewhat less than happy reaction to still another Dean angst ending and a lot less of Sam than I wanted.

*chews thumbnail and works on having faith*

^^;
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: January 16th, 2009 05:20 pm (UTC) (Link)
They have a lot of plot- and mytharc-relevant working through of stuff to do with Dean and Sam before they get where they're going, I think. gigglingkat above mentioned that Jared had to go back and shoot some extra stuff for Friday the 13th while this was shooting, which would account for the less of Sam. The roadside chat denoument format for these emotional revelations from Dean is seeming a bit over-used, but it's been two eps in a row, there, so it really stands out. I think the absence of Jared might have contributed to that too, since it would be easier to pick up a scene between him and Dean at a neutral background location, rather than inserting the character revelation into the episode itself, as was probably the case before Jared was contractually mandated to be elsewhere.

Now that the majority of the general story of Dean in Hell is out, the roadside chats might be less present, especially if Dean's reaction after the last one is to wall his emotions up completely and not talk about anything while inside he feels rotten and worthless and Sam drives himself insane trying to cope with what Dean's decicion to save Sam cost him and how to fix it. Etc. There's a lot of myth and character arc to get through, and I trust Kripke. :-)

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caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: January 16th, 2009 05:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
Ah, that would explain more of the 'Roadkill' feel of 'Intro to Supernatural and the mytharc thus far' feel to the episode.
brigid_tanner From: brigid_tanner Date: January 17th, 2009 03:14 am (UTC) (Link)
This episode scared the crap out of me and made me jump several times. I've been missing that! Totally missed that the *two* stick figures should mean something until you said it. Duh! Was wondering how that one girl got all the guns out of the Impala and screwed up the tires in such a short time.

You're right about Dean adapting and that affected his time in Hell. He never expected to get out. Loved his intensity in this episode about getting the kid back. Seen a few unhappy reviews, so I was pleased to find someone else liked it as much as I did :)
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: January 17th, 2009 06:38 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm kind of surprised I didn't find it scary. I used to be a bit of a chicken about horror stuff. The hand licking nearly got me afterward though.

I can see why people might be upset, but I've got, I dunno, this weird trust that Kripke's got a plan, and it'll all be worth it in the end. And if not, we can lynch him and retcon it in fic. ^.^
auriliawestlake From: auriliawestlake Date: January 17th, 2009 08:04 am (UTC) (Link)
You managed to make a lot more sense than my own rambly reflection of the ep, so BRAVO on that.

May I borrow 'Thou shalt not screw with the Impala. It's more than a law, it's a commandment.' and use it in an icon? I've recently acquired Animation Shop and am still fishing around for nifty uses for it

-'I enjoyed it.' OOOOO. Really? I can hear the capslocking in some circles from here. It seems a little bit of an afterthought of a scene, but really, I prefer this progressing now rather than another few episodes of "what's eating Dean" in this case. It moves his character arc along. Now we know, in a nutshell, what's happened, we can move on to the next phase, and keep the character and mytharc rolling. *nods*

-Actually, I was thinking about this earlier in the week. One thing Dean does, is he adapts. Like the Production Assistant thing, like jail in Folsom Prison Blues. Dean adapts. After he gave in and got off the rack, he probably started adapting to Hell. It's not pretty, and it's not heroic and it's not a common thing to have one of the heroes of a story admitting stuff like this, but... I can accept it. From here, I can see how there could be some really juicy character and mytharc development in the wrks. It's part of a larger arc and character process, I am certain, and I trust Kripke and Jensen to pull this off. *nods*


Though I agree with most of this, I think we shouldn't discount the fact that everyone has an inherent capacity to enjoy the suffering of others, even if most of us don't admit as much. I mean, it's the reason why people find shows like 'America's Funniest Home Videos' or 'Stupid Criminals Caught on Tape' funny or why slapstick humor exists. If people didn't have this capacity for schadenfreude, then shows like the ones I just mentioned wouldn't exist at all. Of course, your preceding comment, 'Plus he's always tended to be negative about himself under his snark armour, so of course he's going to take whatever happened in the worst possible way and beat himself with it' is also true - just not the whole story. In fact, I'd be surprised if the combination of all three points (his adaptability, the human quality of schadenfreude, and his low self-esteem), even taken together, weren't the whole story.

In any case, I hope work went/is going/will go well for ya!
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: January 17th, 2009 08:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
I made these icons back during the season 1 hiatus for someone on the TWoP forums:


but since you're just looking to play around with your program, go ahead and quote me. :-)
auriliawestlake From: auriliawestlake Date: January 18th, 2009 07:51 am (UTC) (Link)
Those are niftily pretty. Like the whole carved-stone/stamped metal feel to them.

Thanks for the go-ahead, though! I like animated icons and am still figuring out how to make 'em.
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