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Reaction: Supernatural 5.04
*kicks work* Anyway, here's a late reaction to 5.04 if anyone's interested. *kicks work again*

Contains profanity. (The reaction post, not just work, which contains rather a lot of profanity.)

Spoiler and Theorizing Timeline

- 09/30 Thought the Season 5 trailer might be safe now. Nope. [spoiler not appearing yet excised] Sam(?) in a bright white suit, a similar bright white shoe stepping on Dean's neck. So, [future spoiler and very spoilery spec I might repost separately later excised].



Reaction, speculation, meta, and other things for Supernatural 5.04 - "The End"


Sounds like the vampires over on Vampire Diaries are gonna have some hunter problems... *gleeee*


-CROATOAAAAAAAAN!!!! \o/ OMG I so called it.

-COLT! Yay! So much glee already and the THEN isn't even finished yet.

-Aw, proseltysing boy. Hm. He has that camera pause of "something's going to eat me later" going on. Either that or he's possessed.

-Arg!!! JoyTV feed has glitches. Lightning on the ridge looks like.

-"The voice says that I'm almost out of minutes." Heeee! OMG I think I just read that fic!

-Demons have the Colt. Well, yeah. Bela gave it to Lilith, but who'd she give it to? Or was it taken from her? Regardless, of course they haven't melted it down because A) it can open a Hell gate in Wyoming that's probably still got a broken section of iron Devil's trap not being very effective at containing things... (unless Bobby went out there with some leftovers from the panic room and an arc-welder one afternoon... of course he did, and silly me for thinking otherwise.) and B) "can kill anything" is worth trying on an embodied archangel or, say, Michael-in-Dean? It's a weapon and there's a war on. They won't slag it if there's a chance they can use it. Unless they're idiots which is entirely possible as the tactical IQ of many demons hasn't been up to a game of checkers.

-"If you are still set on the insane task of killing the devil" Heee! Castiel's fun when he's bitchy.

-"I'll just wait here then." \o/!!!!! HI CAS!!! I LOVE YOU!! NEVER EVER CHANGE!!!

-Ooo... Sam told Dean about being Big L's vessel. That side-steps a whole lot of problems.

-"Pick a hemisphere." Ow Dean. I agree with you in some respects, but ow. Also, I hadn't expected you to give up so easy, or your brother or on everything else. Hunh. Well, he has had less than four hours sleep. I'm hardly rational at that point too.

-"We're not stronger when we're together." Buuuullshit. I think in some part the season arc is going to be them realizing that yeah, sure they're each other's weak spot, but more importantly they're each other's strength. It has to be, in order to tie up the themes of family running all through this entire show since day one. *nods*

-Aw, wibbly-voiced Dean. Aw, Sam. Awwwwww.

-Hee! Dead clock! Dean is not a morning person.

-...or not... Hunh, room got nasty overnight. Does the Croatoan virus effect hotel decor now?

-Theatre marquee has a title. Need pause later. [Rewatch: HA! Route 666 *rofl*]

-Set and location design has been having fuuuuun with the post-apocalypticness this season. Woot! \o/

-Credit: Lexa Doig?? Holy crap, Rommie from Andromeda? Cool! Never watched it really, but it was Roddenberry's 1988 Writer's strike project I believe (even though they didn't start filming it til later) and filmed in Vancouver and had Hercules Kevin Sorbo as a starship Captain, so it gets too many cool points not to be noted.

-Dogs of Peace. Interesting graffiti. So, opposite of the Dogs of War? Hm. *ponder*

-Uh oh, freaky kid alert! Yup. Drooling blood. Nice. Also nice that even after all the freaky evil little kids that have kicked the crap out of Dean one way or another over the years, he still doesn't assume all children are evil and still wants to help them. Of course he isn't aware he's on this show and that statistically speaking a significant percentage of children appearing on it are evil. Most of the good ones that just need rescuing are off-screen.

-Hey! Hey! She cut Dean! Does that mean Dean's been infected?? o.O

-*waves at giant "CROATOAN" graffiti with great wriggly glee*

-\o/ OMG, Dean running from a herd of zombie-like people fills me with so much joy I can't even explain it! Like, like, just, frigging yay. *beams*

-Also, *waves hi at old BC Transit Bus* Hee. Sorry, I'm a dork. :-D

-Music, booze and shooting up infected people. Yike. O.O

-2014!!! 2014!!!! *runs around flailing* TIME TRAVEL! HELL YEAH!!! Wow, I'm slow tonight! \o/ Hello, canon AU!!! *glee*

-Written by Ben Edlund (Oh, cool, he's got a twisty brain suitable for crack or time travel mechanics), Directed by spotlight thief Steve Boyum. *mentally counts the Impala's parts and glares suspiciously in Boyum's direction*

-Zachariah! Hi! You're a dick, but you're a nifty antagonist! I missed you!

-HA!! President Palin! I'm not an American, but that sounds like a sign of the apocalypse.

-"Choices have consequences" Yeah, but saying no to Michael isn't the only choice he's made recently, hm?

-Ya know, given the situation, if you are at Bobby's door and have not fallen into a pit trap or been shot at, odds are he's... well. Yeah.

-Aw, Bobby's bullet-riddled wheelchair. :-( See? This is what happens when you don't work together as a family, Dean. Bobby never gets his Shillelagh Bobby gets killed. But hey, now that Kripke's killed Bobby in an AU (twice with Mystery Spot, sort of), he can't kill him in the real timeline because that would be unoriginal or something, right? Right! *plugs ears and goes "lalalalala Bobby can't die"*

-Ooo! Hidden thing in the mantle! Oooo! So... wait what? Where was that and what was that? was that the Journal?? Or Bobby's journal? or hunter contact info? Either way, OMG, Bobby told Dean where to find his hidden stuuuuuufff! *smishes them*

-Camp Chitaqua. With Castiel? OMG. Also, and this is really trivial but I LOVE that the had the photo be black and white. It'd be hard too find film, but the home-brew developing process for black and white film is much simpler than for color by an order of magnitude and a film camera can be made which uses no batteries, so with a drop in tech-level due to global Croatoanization taking out the more modern infrastructure and resources required to operate higher-tech devices (no power, no batteries charging, no places to make prints from digital) low-tech comes back into use. Sorry. Moment of abject geekery there. :-)

-OW! IMPALA! DAMMIT STEVE BOYUM!!! WHAT THE HELL DID THE IMPALA EVER DO TO YOU!!? *glares more*

-Dean gets whacked by someone. Hi, who are you... um HI DEAN! OMG. I am so damn slow tonight. Cue shifter interrogation and stuff? I heart this whole scenario so freaking much!

-Also, given this situation with Dean getting whacked while angsting about the Impala, obviously it's not Sam that's Dean's weak spot but the Impala and- stopping that thought now. Don't you even dare Kripke.

-Wise decision; dispense with non-plot-related shifter testing during the commercial break. *nods*

-"Tail end of 2009." So, pushing December then?

-*snerk* Dean's panty experimentation. Oh dear lord. I can hear the masses of keyboards clicking from here. XD

-I'm really liking future!Dean. I love the subtle gruffer, rougher, less open, less sense of humor way Jensen's playing him. A leader of a guerilla army. The way he's playing this is really making me wish that rumor about Ackles getting a role in one of the Resident Evil movies hadn't turned out to be false.

-"We haven't talked in, hell, five years." Yes! Exactly! *nods* See Dean, this is the result of splitting up the Winchester family. The world ends with viral demon-zombies.

-OMG!! When Future!Dean's taking off and leaving current!Dean handcuffed to the... ladder, thing, whatever. *handwaves* On the wall, over current!Dean's head! Look! It's the old/new Impala plate!! You can see the '80Q3' part anyway. [Rewatch: Oh, what the hell, have a screencap.


See it? Straight up from Dean's left knee, near the top of the frame.] I LOVE YOU SET DESIGN!!! \o/

-Macgyveristical floor nail lockpick FTW! \o/

-HI CHUCK! Prophet turned survival camp quartermaster. Awesome! His hair is adorable! \o/

-Risa? Lisa? Whatever. Hi Rommie! I never even watched that show and I know who you are! Wonder if she'll show up in the now at some point?

-Beaded curtains and weird group mind synergy discussions. I don't know exactly why but my first thought was "OMG, Castiel's turned into Twitter!Misha!" XD

-"Washed up for the orgy." Looks like that visit to the whorehouse had a belated effect after all.

-Oooo... Castiel has altered time perception? Ooo. Or maybe he just sees the difference in Dean from the Dean he knows now, because he misses the way Dean used to be and that's why he's kind of turning himself into him. Hm. Regardless, smily, giggly, yet oozing despair Castiel is disturbing o.O

-It is cold-blooded, but I agree with future!Dean's reasoning on shooting his friend. No cure, no hope of a cure and a countdown to going insane and attacking your friends. Gotta be nerve-wracking for his cohort though, knowing one day they might turn around and get shot.

-Heh. Getting your orders questioned by your past self in front of your crew. Not awkward at all.

-A hunter named Jaeger? How apt.

-Hey, hey, the guy started showing signs of the virus within a short time, and current Dean was cut hours ago, so he didn't catch it... is this confirmation that "the Winchester boy" the demon talked about being tested for immunity in 'Croatoan' was Dean too? Sam as well, obviously, since having a meat-suit be vulnerable to your primary method of attack would be foolhardy on Big L's part.

-(The Croatoan virus has got to be Pestilence-sourced though, right? Even though they haven't said it outright? I mean come on!)

-"This isn't your time, it's mine." Really liking Future!Dean a lot, as a version of Dean that is so entirely a product of that one choice to not reunite with Sam. Like him a lot. Well, except the 'Croat' part. That's making me wince a bit. But even that's indicative of how far Dean has gone, to a point where human life is disposable and dismissible. I'm inclined to call it callous, but more in the sense of toughened than uncaring. Five years, no Sam, no mitigating influence, and no source of grounding. Current!Dean, are you getting any of this, hm?

-*soaks in the awesome and forgets to take notes*

-COLT! A couple years ago, I never thought I'd be happy to see the damn thing. Kill devil = kill Sam?

-"I like Past!You." HEEEEEE! Yes, he does, which is why Castiel is becoming past!you. With a few less inhibitions and somewhat less violence. I think. More despair? Or different despair? *pats Cas and future!Dean*

-Really hoping for a lot of fic to come out of this canon!AU, because the 'how they got from here to there' is way too fascinating not to play with.

-"I want you to see our brother." Yeah, thought so. Love that Future!Dean uses the exact same prom metaphor current Dean used to Sam during that last phone call.

-"Why?" Um, guess. You didn't have him, he didn't have you. You are each other's support systems. You became a hardened leader who tortures demons and kills friends without blinking, he's probably going to be the same level of fucked up. And with the only sympathetic voice he's hearing being Lucifer, of course he'll have assented.

-"Say yes." OMG. Oh Dean. Both of you. Ow. Future!Dean doesn't see the real solution anymore because he's been living in the consequences so long he doesn't see what really started it. Either that or Zachariah's giving the scenario a nudge.

-"The angels left, gave up." Ooo. That's intriguing...

-"But you won't" Of course not. Because hosting Michael is not the answer. He has to see that. Right? *is nervous*

-Aw. Quartermaster Chuck. Staying behind and guarding the camp. Awwwwww. Hee. Yes. Toilet paper probably is like gold since the infrastructure has broken down, nothing's being manufactured anymore. Quite likely TP is considered a luxury item and used primarily to trade for less rare supplies. Don't need toilet paper if you have no food after all.

-Hm. Angels went away and Castiel became human. Interesting. Well, human-ish. He's gotta have something left over to account for the time perception and the relative functioning despite the chemical soup his bloodstream must be.

-"Why not bang a few gongs before the lights go out?" Castiel really has turned into Dean with fewer inhibitions. Giant flaming walls of denial and all. Aw.

-"I know your lying expressions. I've seen them in the mirror." Heheh. So, Dean looks at himself in the mirror and lies to himself. Never thought your epic denial would be of use, eh Dean?

-Using allies and friends as unwitting bait. Ouch. Future!Dean is hard.

-{{malevolent73 if you (or other spec-phobes) are reading, you will want to skip the following point.}}

-"I wouldn't sacrifice my friends."/"You're right, you wouldn't. It's one of the main reasons we're in this mess." Oh god.... okay. Aside from the obvious implication of stopping Sam, from that exchange I'm reading that one of Dean's friends was Patient Zero for the Croatoan outbreak, and he wouldn't kill them. But who? Okay. This'll be quick; they don't have too many friends. Well, it's not Bobby, Castiel, Chuck or Sam. Because Bobby, Castiel, and Chuck are still around at the camp or the photo of it, which I'm assuming was set up after the outbreak. It's not Sam because Sam's immune. I'm pretty sure Rufus wouldn't hesitate to do himself in. That leaves... Ellen and Jo? Oh, man. I can even see the scene for that. Oh ow. Craaaaap. o.O

-{{clear.}}

-EEEEEEEEEE!!! White shoe! Lucifer!Sam in his Glad Garbageman suit! Ahha, that's in this episode! *adds things to spoiler timeline*

-OMG Lucifer-in-Sam just broke Future!Dean's neck. And this makes perfect sense, because Dean's despair and abandonment would still all get him sufficiently hamstrung and either not shoot Sam with the Colt, or hesitate long enough for Big L to disarm him. (Sam's not in there anymore for sure.) It could be a deliberate fail on Future!Dean's part, so he knows past!Dean will see and chose a different path, but that's not really realistic because there's no way he could be sure the timing would work out the way it did. I say that, despite everything, future!Dean could not kill Sam. Not even this hardened future!Dean. And that's why Sam was picked as Lucifer's vessel. I bet. So. Much. Glee.

-Of course also this is giving current!Dean future intel and motivation to make that different decision. Except it's not gonna do like Zachariah thinks and motivate Dean to say yes to Big Mike. (Oooookay, I need a different appellation for Michael, because Big Mike is taken, and the Michael that's looking to occupy Dean is not currently managing a Buy More in Burbank. o.O)

-"Go ahead, kill me." Oh Deeeeeeean!

-Jared's doing a damn fine job as Lucifer. I really like the way they've set Lucifer to be a reasonable sympathetic whisperer. Love that. Sympathy from the devil. I see what you did there Show.

-Of course aside from the whole 'Dean won't kill him' thing, there's the bonus of Lucifer getting full access to deploy the Puppy Dog Eyes of Doom.

-BWAH! Unintended moment of crack. L!Sam kind of fondles a rose, and seriously, even though I'm Gen in the brain and I don't watch 'reality TV', all I could think for a second was of the rose ceremony on The Bachelor. *facepalm*

-Hunh, you can see Jared's breath there. They must be shooting crazy late at night, I didn't think it got that cold around the time of the... heh. No, wait, there was a cold snap in there. *nods*

-Noting now, Michael was the one who cast Lucifer into Hell.

-"The same brand of cockroach I've been squashing my whole life." Gaaaaaah Jensen's voice on those lines. And all of the rest of it. Dude. Jensen frigging rocks hardcore. Ow on the viewpoint though, of simplifying back down to supernatural beings being what he hunts, black and white. So much ow in this whole scene though.

-"You better kill me now." Oh, god. Dean. *flails wordlessly through that whole set of lines, because just, wow*

-*soaking in the awesome again some more*

-"See you in five years, Dean." Yeah. All this happens within 5 years. Dude. All because you just hung up on Sam and wouldn't reunite and reconcile. See Dean? This is why you need to not leave Sam alone, and why Sam needs to not leave you alone. Now get back to the present and call your damn brother! Please??

-Hi Zach! Punch him, Dean! Who cares if it wouldn't do anything to him, it'd be nicely cathartic.

-Zach's learned a little bit about how to reason with Dean. Tell Dean that by sacrificing himself, he's saving everyone. Even though it's utter crap.

-"I've learned a lesson, just not the one you wanted to teach." OMFG DEAN PICKED UP THE CLUE PHONE!!!!! YEAH!!! \o/ There was a distinct 'Woohoo-ing' and scaring the cat.

-Yoink! CASTIEL FTW \o/ "We had an appointment." YES! NEVER CHANGE!

-Omg. Omg you guyyyyyyys!!! That road and bridge thing! It's the same location where John handed off the Colt to Dean in season 1! Exactly the same site! And some of the same camera angles too! *flappy hands* It's, it's gaaaah! I have no words. Starting to circle back to the beginning. OMG. *gets kind of misty*

-Paranoid!me says "Sam hasn't said anything yet, Dean, maybe test him to make sure he's actually him before handing over Ruby's knife?" Non-paranoid!me says "Oh, shut the hell up."

-"We keep each other human." Um, what I said above, about realizing that they might be each other's weakness, but they're also each other's strength? *points to scene* I didn't think it would be happening in this ep, and it hasn't really, but I will be dipped in boiling jello if that's not a damn fine start. Not saying it's going to be immediately perfect, not saying there isn't going to be hiccups and reversals on the way there, just that that's a damn fine start.

-"We make our own future." *FLAIL* HELL YES!!!



One squee pad down already. It's gonna be an awesome season, y'all, and it's gonna hurt like blazes!





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aescu From: aescu Date: October 3rd, 2009 03:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
I have to agree in most points still I am disappointed by this episode. There was too much they wanted to show and ended up leaving out too much. For example: Dean asked nearly zero questions. What happend in the last 5 years that the people became who they are now? And another point is that although Jensen really gave his best to portrait future!Dean different to now!Dean makeup-wise there is no difference. I think future!Dean should look weary, tired, OLDER!
A very ambitious episode but sadly there wasn't enough time for all the stuff they cramed into this story.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 3rd, 2009 09:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
What happend in the last 5 years that the people became who they are now?

Since it all boils down to one answer, the details really are moot. Change the primary incident and the source of the difference and everything changes including the details. Learning anything beyond the source of the difference, Dean never talking to Sam again after that phone call, is of no practical use. Lucifer and the demons would have entirely different tactics and maneuvers to get at Sam if he's with Dean, and likewise Zachariah and the angels to get at Dean if he's with Sam.

And another point is that although Jensen really gave his best to portrait future!Dean different to now!Dean makeup-wise there is no difference.

I absolutely loved that they left it up to Jensen. Heroes did a five year time jump and relied heavily on make-up and hairstyle to point out the difference and it looked really bizarre and in my opinion, massively stupid. I so much prefer that Supernatural left it to Jensen's portrayal which worked so much more effectively than a gallon of greasepaint and latex.

Heroes had all their characters with superficial make-up changes, including one who had a big scar down the middle of his face. If Supernatural had gone that route it would have looked like we were ripping off Heroes, something I've heard a few people grousing about regardless.

Our show is awesome because they know and trust that Jensen is so fantastic an actor that he doesn't need some fake gimmick to be a different, more broken person.

In short, I disagree with you completely. Nothing personal. XD
anniehow From: anniehow Date: October 3rd, 2009 03:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oooo... Castiel has altered time perception? That's sort of how I read it too. He says he's "not an angel anymore", and "gone mortal", and, tellingly "practically human", but he isn't one, really, so I have this notion in my head that he can still glimpse inside people, and present!Dean's soul shines much brighter than future!Dean's (I'm a big 'ole sap, is what I am ;-P). I wonder if taking drugs isn't his way of recapturing what it felt like to be an angel, with the disconnect (and possibly the altered perceptions).
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 3rd, 2009 09:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
*nods* Yep, I do think that's part of it. I'm liking the idea that part of it is also his attempt to capture or recreate the carefree parts of Dean that have fallen away. I don't do Dean/Castiel at all, but I'd like to think that Dean's friendship and humanity mean that much to Castiel on some level. :-)
ficwriter1966 From: ficwriter1966 Date: October 3rd, 2009 04:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
A couple tidbits...

In order to pass on the Croatoan virus, the victims had to bleed into the other person. Just cutting them doesn't do anything. The little girl probably intended to bleed into Dean, but he knocked her out first.

And I took "It's one of the reasons we're in this mess" to mean Dean's refusal to accept Michael. I didn't see it as having anything to do with the virus.

But yeah, I loved it. Very intense, nicely seasoned with Teh Funny. "I'll just wait here." It doesn't live up to "The last time you zapped me somewhere, I didn't poop for a week," but it brought the lolz. Long story short, I'm definitely onboard with things this season. Nothing yet that I can't bring myself to rewatch (like Metamorphosis). Win!
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 3rd, 2009 09:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
In order to pass on the Croatoan virus, the victims had to bleed into the other person. Just cutting them doesn't do anything. The little girl probably intended to bleed into Dean, but he knocked her out first.

Yep, I know, but she had drooled blood onto the mirror shards just a second before the attack and I figured she might have picked up one of the bloodied shards to deliberately spread the disease, just like the nurse in Croatoan deliberately infected Sam. The situation isn't exactly the same, since in Croatoan they where deliberately trying to infect Sam, but it seems to me that victims are instilled with the urge or command to spread the disease, since the goal in it's spread is assumable wiping out all of humanity. Drooling blood on the mirror like that seemed to me to be a brilliant strategy to accomplish that. :-)

And I took "It's one of the reasons we're in this mess" to mean Dean's refusal to accept Michael. I didn't see it as having anything to do with the virus.

The line before was something about sacrificing friends though. If Dean gave in to Michael, he's not sacrificing a friend, he's sacrificing himself and depending on what the situation was at the time he said yes, either sacrificing Sam or sacrificing some guy named Nick he's never met. Sam sort of works, but it doesn't quite fully jive to me. I agree that saying yes to Michael is big part of that, but I think there is something more there down the line, maybe. In some way. Although that's on an altered timeline now so who knows.

"I'll just wait here." It doesn't live up to "The last time you zapped me somewhere, I didn't poop for a week," but it brought the lolz.

I loved that! Particularly the bird calling in he background. Can you imagine people driving down that road, seeing him standing there like a Woman in White? Couple nice people offering him a lift somewhere and him just saying he's waiting. Provided he stood there visibly all night that is. I'd like to think he did, watching the world go by. :-)

Long story short, I'm definitely onboard with things this season.

Woot! Welcome back! \o/

Nothing yet that I can't bring myself to rewatch (like Metamorphosis). Win!

I don't think there's any episode I wouldn't rewatch if I had time. I had the urge to rewatch 'Bugs' the other day of all things; technical issues, rubber spiders, stereotypical wise old First Nations men who can't pronounce cavalry and all. o.O
tigriswolf From: tigriswolf Date: October 3rd, 2009 04:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
*dances the happydance* I may not like the Bible, but I love Biblical mythology, so I'm really enjoying this season.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 3rd, 2009 09:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's really fantastic, isn't it? \o/
blackcat333_99 From: blackcat333_99 Date: October 3rd, 2009 08:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
I say that, despite everything, future!Dean could not kill Sam. Not even this hardened future!Dean. And that's why Sam was picked as Lucifer's vessel. I bet.

I bet it with you. Especially since we practically immediately get Lucifer telling Dean that he can't/won't ever kill Sam which is part of his checklist why Lucifer thinks he will always win.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 3rd, 2009 09:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yep. I'm extra thrilled because I wrote a drabble with just that thought at the end of season 2, and you can bet it's gonna come around and bite Lucifer in the end.

The world's gonna be saved because Dean let Sam have the last of the Lucky Charms, and Sam let Dean have the prize, and I couldn't be more gleeful. :-D
irismay42 From: irismay42 Date: October 3rd, 2009 10:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
This ep has to be one of the all-time best the show has ever given us!

I'm sooo glad you thought that was the Salvation location because I did too, but I wasn't sure! And that little flinch of Sam's when Dean pulled out Ruby's knife - like he actually believed Dean might gank him when we've just seen Future!Dean unable to do that very thing even when he's got Lucifer riding his meatsuit! No wonder we didn't get a hug!

Yay Lexa Doig! I loved her in Andromeda! (Although the last three and a half seasons sucked.) I'd love to see her show up again in the present!

I'm just loving all the Dean / Michael, Sam / Lucifer parallels - the brother who refuses to follow his father's orders and is cast out versus the good son who always does as Daddy says... I did wonder whether, because Lucifer and Big Mike (I'm sorry, Big Mike now has to play Michael I'm afraid) are brothers and Sam and Dean are brothers, Kripke might pull a last minute bait and switch on us and have Lucifer take Dean and Michael take Sam. Or have Lucifer threaten to take Dean to get Sam to say "yes"...

"We keep each other human." God, that has to be one of the best lines of the series. Because Future!Dean? Yeah, more of a monster than Sam if you ask me...
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 3rd, 2009 11:20 pm (UTC) (Link)
This ep has to be one of the all-time best the show has ever given us!

I know! \o/

No wonder we didn't get a hug!

They're a ways off from hugging yet, but at least they're in the same state :-D

I'd love to see her show up again in the present!

I particularly liked that even though she was a love interest, pre se, she was a strong female character with a respected opinion and not about to take any crap.

(I'm sorry, Big Mike now has to play Michael I'm afraid)

Dear lord, the crack. *facepalm*

Kripke might pull a last minute bait and switch on us and have Lucifer take Dean and Michael take Sam. Or have Lucifer threaten to take Dean to get Sam to say "yes"...

I don't know. I have my own theories on why who is who's vessel, but there's bound to be some shenanigans from Kripke surrounding the whole issue before the end.

"We keep each other human." God, that has to be one of the best lines of the series.

ABSOLUTELY!!! \o/ :-D *is still incoherent*

Because Future!Dean? Yeah, more of a monster than Sam if you ask me...

There's monsters by nature, there's monsters by situation, and there's monsters by deed. *nods*

*still incoherent*
ciaranbochna From: ciaranbochna Date: October 4th, 2009 06:26 am (UTC) (Link)
I could hear your squee from here when I saw Croatoan;) And Cas, I just don't have the words...lol I agree with the standing by the roadside though, I did wonder if someone would try to pick him up;)

"We keep each other human."

Best line ever, seriously. I am beyond thrilled that Dean finally figured out they can't do this alone goddammit:P

I also thought Zach was messing with the timeline when he zapped Dean, he is just so disgusting with the manipulation that way.

On a strange note, what is it with Lucifer in the white suit thing--I have seen so many references in other things where he is always wearing it(Constantine for one). All I could think of was something with the light bringer, so it must be white, I have no idea.

Going back to re-read revelations now. Yes, you heard that right. Sandrinnad asked if I was serious:P Everything seems to come in threes, interesting.

Babbling, been a long but fun day shopping with J and Sandrinnad:)

Oh and yes, I love the Bobby icon *grins*
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 4th, 2009 06:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
I agree with the standing by the roadside though, I did wonder if someone would try to pick him up;)

I wouldn't doubt it. :-)

Best line ever, seriously. I am beyond thrilled that Dean finally figured out they can't do this alone goddammit:P

Not quite fully yet, but it's a damn fine step in the right direction.

I also thought Zach was messing with the timeline when he zapped Dean, he is just so disgusting with the manipulation that way.

It's possible, but if he did, it's the most epic fail ever, given the results. XD

On a strange note, what is it with Lucifer in the white suit thing--I have seen so many references in other things where he is always wearing it(Constantine for one). All I could think of was something with the light bringer, so it must be white, I have no idea.

It's cheaper than giving him a glowy white nimbus? Although I wouldn't doubt that it could be a direct Constantine shout-out. Castiel's costume is. :-)

Going back to re-read revelations now. Yes, you heard that right. Sandrinnad asked if I was serious:P

Yep, I've read it a few times too, way before the show and some bits a couple times over the last couple years. Well, until I started feeling like I was reading spoilers for the show. XD I read it back when I was a kid in Mom's Church. Fascinating stuff.

Everything seems to come in threes, interesting.

*nod* Trinities. ;-)

Oh and yes, I love the Bobby icon *grins*

He doesn't panic often. :-)
malevolent73 From: malevolent73 Date: October 5th, 2009 05:18 am (UTC) (Link)
Heh, I was able to slide right by that spec without even a word creeping in. Sweet!

I was SO happy at the return of Croatoan you don't even know! And that license plate cap is awesomesauce. You know I was dying when they showed her. Ugh. That director is a demon! Someone needs to Christo his ass or something.

And Kripke just does not seem to be making us stew in our juices at ALL this season yet huh? I keep expecting all secrets and lies but I guess they learned their damn lesson, thank goodness.

Every week I just can't wait to see what happens next. I'm so happy! :)
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 5th, 2009 06:47 am (UTC) (Link)
Heh, I was able to slide right by that spec without even a word creeping in. Sweet!

I try to be considerate wherever possible. :-)

And that license plate cap is awesomesauce.

Isn't it cool! It's over a little desk like thing there. I love that future!Dean has a desk! :-D

You know I was dying when they showed her. Ugh. That director is a demon! Someone needs to Christo his ass or something.

OMG I know! It's a good thing he does some kick-ass episodes or we'd have to hunt him down.

And Kripke just does not seem to be making us stew in our juices at ALL this season yet huh? I keep expecting all secrets and lies but I guess they learned their damn lesson, thank goodness.

They have to at this stage. Secrets aren't going to get them anything but screwed.

Every week I just can't wait to see what happens next. I'm so happy! :)

*shares your glee*
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