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Picspam Reaction: Supernatural 7.04
*beats all the technical issues to death arg*

Contains profanity, capslock, meta and speculation. And a couple icons.

Spoiler and Theory Summary

Nothing. Absolutely nothing, or at least nothing I remember. It's wonderful.

I did go hang out with assorted wonderful people last weekend, including samalander_dawn and ciaranbochna who have seen it and who mentioned very insistently that they want to know what I think about something in it (without mentioning what the something is) when I do see it, and then very politely speculated amongst themselves on random bits of paper. I wasn't looking in their direction at the time, but there may have been some flappy-hands going on.

Now I'm thinking the episode has Misha in it. Maybe?

Picspam Reaction, with speculation and randomness for Supernatural 7.04 - ???? "Defending Your Life"

After many technical issues I'm just getting the chance to start watching this at quarter to 11PM on Sunday. Gahhhhhh.

-Skipping the THEN. After a quick check to make sure it's not glitched. Again. *crosses fingers* Yay!

-Dearborn, Michigan, where an attempted vehicular homicide is in progress, and given what show this is and that this is the pre-title-card sequence, likely to be successful vehicular homicide. Possessed car or possessed driver?

-Yes, even a car can sneak up behind you if you stand around panting loud enough. Looks like no driver, or maybe a driver under five feet tall.

-"That's impossible!" Welcome to the show, teaser-chow! \o/

-Hahaha. Sorry, the silly of this shot is out-weighing the imminent death.

-Yeah! Stairs! That'll stop the evil car! (It totally won't, but why crush the hopes of a dying man.)

-The car's in his apartment, isn't it?

-Fog breath! Either the guy didn't pay the heating bill, or the car is a ghost of some kind, possibly of someone he killed in a hit and run, (Or who knows, the ghost of a car he sent to the crusher because the air conditioning didn't clear the fog fast enough) and is about to mash him all over that nice brick wall in his apartment. Hmmm. Wonder which it might be?

-Yep. I'm just as surprised as you are. XD

-Hello, title! "Defending Your Life." Oooo! Is Sam going to actually get to use some lawyer skills for something? \o/

-If his Lucifer/monster blood/trauma issues let him. Oh Sam.

-Whoops! Looks like Bobby's going to be involved tonight. *blocks rest of guest stars with a finger*

-Tie report: Still opposite directions, still opposite colours, still not boding well for a unified Winchester front.

-"Thank you."/"For?"/"Amy." Oh man, this is going to be so ugly when the truth comes out. D-:

-"If we weren't on the tenth floor, I'd say by a car." SAM'S FACE. OMG YOU GUYS DID YOU SEE SAM'S FACE! HERE! BEHOLD THE GLORY! XD

-Heh. Do they really wear those jackets, or it that a sideways crossover?

-EMFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!! *flails* OMG! *glee*

-"Lisence to kill." *facepalm* Dean. I agree with Sam's face.

-"AA, ten years." Ah, so a drunk driver then.

-Written by Adam Glass, he's done a few before. Directed by Robert Singer, an old hand.

-"I gave up AA for Lent."/"We're not Catholic."/"Always with the details." Okay, so they aren't Catholic, but is it Lent? If so, that's Spring 2012 and a hell of a time jump, given that discussion Re: Amy they had at the start of the episode, so I am going to assume no unless otherwise mentioned.

-*assorted case-workery that all lands up at 'he killed someone in a drunk driving incident and feels guilty'* Elizabeth Duren. *nods*

-Yep. Graveyard! Flashlights! And no doubt a corpse burning, but since we're only 6 minutes in, I very much doubt things are that simple. Also because Sam hasn't lawyered anything yet.

-A ten year old. Hm. So, she probably wouldn't be driving (even though she'd be under five feet tall...). 'Defending Your Life' Hm. Some outside force of judgement is killing people the way they killed other people maybe?

-Ah, and he was never arrested for it. So, an outside force of judgement bringing justice for crimes not otherwise paid for. In that case the Winchesters are kind of screwed. Ah. And that brings us to the unsung death of Amy Pond, doesn't it. Oh dear. O.o

-Something about this hotel room is giving me a 'Tall Tales' vibe, maybe the configuration of wallpaper and cupboards, and if the wall behind Sam wasn't there and lead to a door... Sort of?

-Yep, salt and burn, and it won't do a darn thing, will it?

-Nope. *moves on quickly from death by dog, issues*

-Oh. Hey. Blonde woman. She was at the flower shop. And now she's here. Eating fries. ...IS SHE DEATH??? o.O or, like an upper-level Reaper (since many people would be really annoyed if Death suddenly got re-cast)? No, the Death Brigade are all neutrals. This is like a judge of the dead. There's a few of those running around in mythology, could even be Saint Peter, I guess? (O.o) Maybe a less playful more vengeful Trickster. Or the if the soul weighs as much as a feather one. Egyptian. Horus? Osiris? Thoth? Maybe? Anyway, someone who judges the soul and wasn't at the party where that upstart Lucifer temporarily inconvenienced a bunch of deities. ...I'm reading way too much into a blonde woman (who might not even be the same one as before) buying flowers and eating fries, aren't I?

-GAH! DOG ATTACK! *fast-forwards*

-She's having fries with a man who appears to be wearing a yarmulke. I- I don't know what to make of that at all. They're getting a lot of attention for extras if they aren't somehow involved in the plot.

-Eeep. Death by dog. I don't think anyone in that restaurant is going to be eating there again. And, if this death is paralleling a death the guy caused, I don't feel particularly sorry for him. *hides and fast-forwards to commercial break*

-"He was in the restroom of a diner." Hee! Dean lies down, Dean sits up. There have to be so many animated gifs of that by now. Of course it wasn't the first thing they thought of and the case isn't over yet, we haven't even passed the ten minute mark.

-You know what I'd sort of like to see as an episode sometime? One where it is the first thing they think it is and they finish the hunt before the first commercial break. Then they do three or four more different simple hunts, finishing each one inside the episode. They can snark back and forth at each other about the current status of the season arc they whole time, or Bobby can call with new developments, or the last hunt can have a tie-in to the season arc, but I want a mini-monster-hunt marathon. Neeeever gonna happen though. The FX budget would take too big a hit with that many different monsters.

-Dog-fighting. Fair enough.

-"Do dogs even have ghosts?"/"First I've heard of it."/"That sounds weird. Ghost-dog?" Yaaaay case discussion! Are they going to mention hellhounds? Or what the hell, black shucks? Seriously, Dean really should be thinking hellhound here.

-"People change."/"Heh. Tell that to ghost-dog." Even though I know that's not what is going on, and Dean or Sam really should be thinking hellhound *post-traumatic mutual memory block handwave standing by*, ghost-dog is sounding like a cute mascot.

-"What?"/"What?"/"What. What?" Heeeeeee!

-Second tie report, since everyone's switched. Sam has a dignified light blue on dark blue going down to his left. Dean has... an inadvisable greyscale barber-pole thing going on that makes him look like an early 90's stockbroker, but the stripes are sloping down to his left, so at least they're going the same direction now?

-"Apparently whatever's in red dirt makes great apples." Usually iron, and usually better for potatoes, not apples. Also usually not found in Michigan so maybe it's not iron that makes the dirt red, maybe it's blooooooooood, which in a roundabout way would also be iron. And we already have a connection between blood sacrifices and apples in the series, namely Scarecrow back in Season 1. Wonder what colour the dirt was in Burkittsville, Indiana? And there was red dirt in Cicero, Indiana at that housing construction site... Hm. Wonder what the apples in Lisa's hometown were like? Perhaps iron-y? *eyebrows*

-"Well I'd be so interested in that if I ate apples." Dude. Pie. Unless he swore off apple pie after Burkittsville? Ooo. There's a fic prompt.

-'Hi, I'll be your plot shortcut for the evening. Unless I'm a zombie in which case om nom nom.'

-"'Cause it's all impossible. You won't even believe me." Dude, you have no idea whose car you jumped in front of.

-*nods* Yep. And it seems having paid for the crime and made amends makes no difference. Maybe it's guilt-related? Regardless, I'm betting it'll tap Dean over killing Amy, Sam will be defending him when he finds out about Amy, and everything will be made of great galloping gobs of paaaaaain. *nods again*

-Ah, and there's a tavern involved. Always fun when there's a tavern involved.

-Hee! Sam head bobble! ...oh fine. I have to.

24 25
That took far longer to make than I'd thought.

-"You believe me? Who the hell are you?" Yep. Just when you thought the day couldn't get any weirder, you meed the Winchesters. Just about everyone they've ever helped has had a similar moment of WTF.

-"When did our black and white case turn to mud?" ...Ooooohhhh dear. Yep. Whatever's passing judgements in the apple barn it going to have a fun time with Dean. Maybe Sam, but this little rant in addition to the killing of Amy Pond is making Dean look like a lock for judgement. Meaning Sam will end up having to defend Dean for killing his high school crush behind his back after Dean saying he wouldn't and there is no way this isn't going to end up fugly for the boys, is there? O.O

-"To work or drink?"/"I haven't decided." Considering they were up all night salting and burning a corpse and haven't really rested yet? Booze would be a poor idea. Not that something being a poor idea ever stopped Dean from doing something. Particularly when it's booze.

-"I need your help finding that barn."/"It's red, stands out." HEEEEEEE!

-OMG a salt line! \o/ Not that it's going to do a damn bit of good, I suspect, but it's good to see the classics getting used again. Salt line, EMF, salt and burn... Just need something to get shot in the face with rock salt and we've got most of the stuff from a season one episode. Except... this episode is kind of subverting it. All the stuff that's comfortable to the boys in terms of hunting that they've been using since they were kids either won't work, won't help, and certainly won't make anything less morally ambiguous. Hm. There's meta in there somewhere, I think.

-"Just trust me. I'm trying to help." Oh dear. Why does that sound like a sort of foreshadowing or something?

-Soooooo dooooooooomed.

-That was an unusually emphasised walk-past bump. Either the guy in the hat's involved in this or Dean's wallet just got ripped off.

-AH! MUSIC! \o/ It's.... familiarish. It'll come to me. [Lynyrd Skynyrd - "Down South Jukin'" last heard on the series in the first Season episode Wendigo. Really banging on that first season drum tonight.]

-Too many people with long blonde hair to tell if any of them are the flowers-and-fries blonde. Not the bartender anyway. I don't think. I've been confused by hairstyle before. If she does turn out to be here and up to no good, that will be a third strike for fries being favoured by evil things (Ruby) or things that aren't evil but are going to kill you anyway (Death). Slight subliminal health message: Fries are mostly evil and will kill you regardless. Hmmm.

-"Believe it or not I'm a cop." And the scotch is really going to help with that cover story. Suuuure.

-"You look like you've seen some crap." Heeeee! Dean's silly face.

-"I'm like a captive shrink with unlimited alcohol." I like her. Impractical garments and inadvisable hairstyle for food/beverage service and all.

-"Ever do something behind someone's back because you had to?" Aw, Dean faaaaaace.

-*ponders guilt deeply* I was kind of wondering, since we have the guy in AA, the dog fighter working at the shelter, and the doomed guy back at the hotel, all showing evidence of guilt, whether that's got something to do with it. Maybe it's a judge of the conscience, rather than a judge of the soul. ...If the boys have to take down Jiminy Cricket I will laugh and laugh and laugh... Doubt it though. He's liscenced to Disney and they don't share.

-The point of that being, if the judge is judging guilt rather than the actual deeds, Dean could be very screwed. He's packing around a hell of a lot of guilt. So what about someone whose done horrible things according to society, but doesn't feel any guilt for it, would they be immune to judging? Assuming that's the general operating procedure, that is. Hmm.

-"Well I think I'll switch to beer." Heee, okay, she's adorable, and knows what she wants, whether it's Dean or Dean's soul.

-Doesn't look very red in the dark.

-*facepalm* Sorry, pet peeve. When sneaking into a location, possibly sneaking up on something that will try to kill you, the last thing you need is a cellphone to ring or buzz while you're sneaking around trying to be silent. Sneaking into places is like watching a movie in a theatre: CELL PHONES AND OTHER SPONTANEOUS NOISE DEVICES OFF.

-Egyptian book of the dead. Ha! Yep. *nods*

-In other news, Bobby has a storage locker too! Unit 032. Complete with desk and lamp. Why not? John had mines, Bobby can have a desk.

-Osiris. That's the one. *nods*

-"He weighs the guilt, he finds more than a feather's worth, boom, you're down." Guilt. They are so screwed.

-"No you idjit. It means you two gotta get the Hell outta Dodge! This guy homes in on people that feel guilty. Who does that sound like to you?" *smishes Bobby* EXACTLY!

-Ooooo. Lighting. Half light half dark, sign of insanity or ambivalence in classic movie filming. Very stark here. Very nice.

-"You are Dean Winchester. This is what you do." Awwwwww, Psyching himself up to go get the hot bartender. Heh. Not necessary honey, you're going to get yoinked for judgement of guilt.

-Ow, that would have been a whiplash-inducing yoink. It's either the bartender or the guy in the hat.

-And this is the kind of phone Dean carries these days when he's not being hauled off for judgement. I don't know what kind it is off-hand, but there you are.

-"Dude, third message, you better not be loaded." Oh Sammy of little faith.

-"Is this Dean's phone?" I really really like this bartender. Which means, of course she's evil or she's dead. Though given she's answering Dean's phone, that makes it less likely she's evil (unless she's really super-subtle evil trying to land Sam too... hm) and more likely she's dead. Also more likely the person who snagged Dean was hat-guy.

-TV static is not your friend on this show. Or really any horror-themed show or movie.

-*facepalm* They never ever listen.

-And saying sorry doesn't work either, along with paying the debt to society in whatever format. It's all about the guilt. Dean is screwed. (Hey, is the lady ghost the fry lady? *eyeballs*)

-Sam with the sneaking and the shotgun. Aw. So first seasony.

-Just in case anyone missed the whole Egyptian thing earlier, have some giant statues. Mr. Dooomed missed it, but when some weirdo is passing judgement on your soul it's a bit difficult to focus on the decor.

-Is it the hat guy? I think it's the hat guy. Whee!

-"You gonna skulk all night, Sam?" Hee! Busted!

-"He's an Egyptian god."/"Tah dahh!" I'm sorry, I can't help it, I like smart-ass evil. Or not really evil just adversarial.

-"But he, he has the right to an attorney!" *fistpump* Lawyer Sammy rides, y'all! \o/

-(Of course Egyptian afterlife law is nothing like American Law, and Dean probably doesn't have the right to anything, but snarky-antagonist Osiris here seems like the type to let it fly, just for giggles.)

-"Why not?" Yep. Good ol' whacky Osiris, letting the doomed have rights and things.

-"I was Pre-Law."/"Yeah. Pre." *snerk* Dean's face looks so reassured by that.

-*Sam objecting to everything* "I saw that on 'The Good Wife'." Sorry, I'll be over here laughing and trying not to irrigate my sinuses with hot coffee. Carry on.

-"'Cause I'm the judge, son." Yep. Judge and prosecution and executioner. Even if he plays fair and judges on evidence (except he's judging on subjective guilt level, and so all the evidence he needs is Dean feeling guilty) Sam is quite completely fubed.

-"Prosecution calls Joanna Beth Harvelle to the stand." OH MY GOD, WHAT?!?? I think I just gasped so hard I sucked all the air out of the room for a second. I am so glad I habitually block out the guest star names and caught it before Alona Tal showed up!! JOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! \o/

-HI JO!!! You're looking.... dead. But that's okay, because you are. And holy crap you can bet Dean feels guilty about her. D-:


-"As a hunter, yeah. As a guy he was kind of a jerk." Dean's entirely uncappable micro-head-bobble of 'Okay, you've got a valid point' is adorable, and very sad.

-"I trusted him." Ow. Not meant as an accusation at all, but still, owwwww.

-"You would have chosen the exact same road-" *ponders* maybe not 100% exact, but she was aiming toward becoming a hunter before the Winchesters showed up. She would have maybe been a little less mixed up in the Apocalypse business, died differently, later, maybe earlier since she would have tackled the dead serial killer without backup (and really, on that one Dean was trying to discourage her) but she would have been a hunter. How much knowing the Winchester boys had been raised as hunters and been involved in hunts since they were kids had an effect, who knows. She certainly would have known of them even if she'd never met them and seen them as examples whether she'd ever met them or not. How much influence that might have had without actually meeting them is anyone's guess. All that said, she made her own choices, whatever influenced them, she had the brass to stand up to Ellen and drop college, the start of choosing to hunt, and given that she's Ellen's daughter and by default wouldn't take crap from anyone, she would have kept on following in her Dad's footsteps, Winchesters or no. However. This is not really about what influence Dean had on Jo. This is about how guilty he feels about what influence he thinks he had on Jo. And where Jo and Ellen and how they died are concerned, I suspect Dean is made of 100% crystal pure guilt.

-My, that was long-winded. Sorry. Proceeding.

-"Jo." Oh, puppy.

-"So why'd you start? To impress some loudmouth ass you just met?" Dean's working the uncappable head-bobbles tonight. And Sam. It's a bobble-headed evening.

-"Daddy issues. Definitely." On this show? Say it ain't so! XD

-"Listen, Dean, I don't-" *flickerbye* Oh... and Dean's face. Oh.

-"Who's the next witness?" And now a surprise appearance by Dean's 'Are you freaking kidding me?' face. In fire-lit silhouette.

-"Next witness!" Is it Amy? I'm guessing Amy, then Sam, because Dean's guilt is king in this case, and it'll be all fresh and ouchy after Sam finds out what happened to Amy and goes on the stand. Which is going to make the cross-examination a little weird.

-Oh, Sam's first? Okay. Osiris is running the playbook here. I would've totally called Amy first, but I'm mean like that.

-"Were you or were you not happily out of the family racket until Dean showed back up?" Man. This episode is like meta-bunny central you guys. Because, we know why Jess was killed now, so she would almost certainly have died regardless, and after that Sam would have gone back to Dean and John anyway, or taken off on his own revenge quest. Sam's ties into the whole mess were cemented back in the nursery, or really, back in the 70's with Mary's Deal. He was never going to get out of the family business. He practically is the family business.

-*unpause* "-in that gas-guzzler?" Oh no you didn't just insult the Impala, Osiris! I mean, yeah it's true, but it's not polite to say such things about a classy lady.

-Pilot flashback! OMG THEY WERE SO WEEEEE! \o/

-"It's complicated." Sam's demon-mangled, blood-soaked, deal-making, soul-rending destiny, summed up as a Facebook relationship status. *nod and golf clap*

-"None of that is on Dean, directly." But you just know that's not what Dean's guilt is telling him.


-You know, I realize that it could be argued that all the flashbacks make this episode technically a clip show but really? I DON'T CARE BECAUSE IT'S ALL PLOT-RELEVANT AND AWESOME!!! WOO! \o/

-"Don't you think your brother dragged you back into that catastrophic mess because he'd rather damn you with him than be alone."
Sam's face: Yeah, right. Dean, can you believe this guy's crap?

Dean's face: Aaaaaaaangst.

-"If it was about convincing me, I would say-"/"What?" Yep. Dean's the one that needs to be convinced out of his guilt here. Some of which he's probably been carrying around in one form or other since he was four. So uh... Good luck with that, Sammy! *thumbs up*

-"I just weigh the guilt that's already there. This is solely about how Dean feels. Way down deep." Yep. Exactly. They're doomed! *headdesk*

-"I wanna call Dean to the stand." To convince him not to feel guilty about everything. Oh really? And Amy's death still isn't out. This should be... AWESOME. \o/

-You know, Dean can say he doesn't feel guilty all he wants to, but actually not feeling guilty about that stuff is going to take a lot more than an exploration of the surface facade Dean wears every day. You guys. They have to explore Dean's psyche to solve a monster problem and make it so that he doesn't feel guilty about anything ever. They are soooooo screwed.

-Also, Sam makes silly faces sometimes.

-"Does any of this feel like it's really on you?" Hehe. I think that question might just backfire all over the place.

-*eyes darting* "What you said. The second thing." Buuuuuuuuuuuulllshiiiiiiiiiit! XD *

-"Dean, do you want me to call my last witness?" *cackles evilly* Here comes Amy!! \o/ Ahem. I mean 'oh dearie me'.

-Of course he says no to the last witness. I'm just surprised Osiris didn't call her in anyway.

-"It's not gonna make any difference, Sam." No, it probably won't. Because even if you didn't feel guilty about Amy, when Sam finds out you lied, you'll probably wish you were dead anyway. There really is no good way out of this for Dean, at least not one that doesn't involve Sam never speaking to you again.

-"The court's reached a verdict." Oh Dean.

-Oh boys.

-Ah, yes, the doomed guy. At least he was polite enough to get killed in the hall so they can still access their room? I guess?

-"There's still time. We can figure something out." Oh crap, and Sam's gone into desperate 'save my brother mode' like everything between here and the end of season three never happened and the Hellhounds are coming. And desperate Sam is a crazy crazy boy. And Dean isn't going to let him. Things are about to get really freaking shouty, aren't they?

-...unless Dean's just going to shut down to avoid any chance of Sam finding out about Amy and because his masses of ingrained guilt are making him believe he deserves this. Oh Dean.

-"It oughta put him down for a couple of centuries at least." Bobby has the answer yay! \o/ Now, will Dean let them stop what's happening or is he so far sunk in the guilt that he'll resist. O.o

-"So it's temporary?" Dude. I know Death has a revolving-door policy for you and your brother, but I doubt either of you will still be around in a hundred years, and at that point it's someone else's problem to deal with, and Bobby can leave notes for whoever's around then. Heck, if Bobby wants, he can compile a big list of 'things that are gonna come back and getcha', complete with approximate dates and how to recognize when they've resurfaced and detailed instructions on how to stop them the next time around. Diagrams. Print it, digitize it, archive it, and give it to every other book-hoarding data-packrat hunter. Done. It's why hunters keep journals, isn't it? 'Here's how we didn't die the last time crap like this happened, try it again'. Wisdom of the ages. *nods sagely*

-"Where am I gonna find a ram's horn in Dearborn?" *googles* HAHAHA!! There are more than twenty-five Ram's Horn restaurants serving southeast Michigan, so... corner of Greenfield and Ford, looks like, except it's closed for construction. Oh noes! Looks like you'll have to go to one of the ones in Dearborn Heights, boys. You could stab Osiris with a well-sharpened slider. Most subtle product placement ever, yes? I think so! XD

-"Apparently Jewish people blow through them once a year." ...yeeees, and big game hunters have them on their walls. Though I guess those are the curly kind and harder to stab Egyptian deities with? Maybe? Or it's harder to find a hunting lodge in Dearborn than it is to find a synagogue.

-"Where are we gonna find one this time of night?" ...They're going to rob a synagogue now, aren't they? *facepalm* Well. I guess they don't have time to wait three to seven business days though really, you'd think it'd be used in other hunting-related rituals, maybe in Jewish exorcisms and/or anti-demon stuff. And I suppose straight up asking the rabbi for his shofar at stupid o'clock at night wouldn't get them very far.

-"The dick's gonna sic Jo after me, Sam." Oooo! Sorry, yeah, Dean getting killed by Jo would be a sad, sad thing, but still, I kind of want to see the fight now.

-"You're a hunter, Dean. You know how to deal with ghosts." Considering how and where they died, giant fireball, surrounded by rock salt/nail bombs, I'm pretty sure Jo's remains are as salted and burned as they get. Which means Osiris is pulling her out of her afterlife for this, which means, yeah, he's a dick.

-And that said, I don't think Dean even could bring himself dispatch Jo's ghost, whether he's resigned to this judgement or not. Not after how she died.

-"So you're suggesting I kill her again?" Yeah. That.

-He is at least laying down a salt line. That's a good sign, really, though I suspect he's trying to protect himself more for Sam's benefit than his own at this point.

-"You can come out now." Ooooooof.

-HA! BUSTED! NOW ASK THE NICE RABBI IF YOU CAN BORROW HIS SHOFAR TO STAB AN EGYPTIAN DEITY WITH! I mean, what the hell, you're already busted, you might as well give it a shot. XD

-"You know I'd never do this." Oh, Jo.

-*flails all over the conversation between Dean and Jo and who deserves what* Oh everybody.

-Hm. I guess splintering works for sharpening. I do hope you convinced him to give you the ram's horn and didn't beat the nice rabbi over the head with his own shofar, or you are so going to Hell. Again. Some more. I'd like to think he managed to convince him, or leave a donation for the synagogue or something.

-"Hunters are never kids." You were. Except you weren't really, were you? Oh Dean.

-"I never was, I didn't even stop to think about it." Oh Deeeeeeeeean. *wibble*

-"The right thing would have been to send your ass back home to your mom."/"Like to have seen you try." Exactly. See? And he did try. Like I said.

-"He was right about one thing."/"What, your massive crush on me?"/"Shut up!" Heeeeee! Awww. Heeawww. Not the first time show has made me make donkey noises, won't be the last.

-"Well in that case you should be able to see that I am ninety percent crap." With the crack in the voice and just.... Oh god Dean, honey, no. Though that was an unexpected referencing of Sturgeon's Law, which I highly approve of in general, I don't approve of its application in this case. Deeeeeean! You are not 90% crap! You need some self-worth, you freaking angst-muffin!

-"Dean, it's time." YES! HAHAHAAH! There are so many ways to get at a person inside a salt circle or other protective warding vs. weird things without touching them. Put out the pilot light and turn up the gas. It's sad that Jo is about to kill Dean and all, but DAMMIT, I LOVE INTELLIGENT TACTICS! \o/

-Oh. And it's the same way she and Ellen died. Oh. Of course. Owwwwwww. *flails*

-OOOOOOOO!!! AND THEN CHILLING THE ROOM SO THE BASEBOARD HEATERS WILL KICK ON AND SET IT OFF AND DAMMIT ALL TO HELL THIS IS AWESOME AND DEAN'S REALLY SCREWED! Because even if Sam gets Osiris and Jo can stand down and get back to her afterlife, Dean's still going to be standing inside a giant gas bomb.

-Unless she breaks the window and lets the gas build up dissipate while breaking the salt circle that doesn't need to be broken for her to kill him. Heh. You know? Maybe she did that on purpose as a delaying tactic, since she's under a compulsion to kill him and can't not try. It's all still trying, it's just trying with less than optimal efficiency. The gas build up in the room would have been awfully rapid if she hadn't done that, and she has to know Sam's off trying something, so she's just bought him some time. I do hope it was a delaying tactic. Jo just gets more awesome every time, even after death.

-"He's making me do this."/"It's okay." *FLAILS EVERYWHERE*

-I was going to mention something before, but a shofar being something that can kill temporarily inconvenience an Egyptian deity is kind of Biblical, isn't it, in a way? The whole Exodous thing? Sort of fits I guess? Anyway, see you in a couple hundred years, Osiris.

-I am officially now going to take that death-span as canon retcon for the deities killed temporarily inconvenienced by Lucifer in 'Hammer of the Gods'. Ganesh, Baron Samedi, Odin, the rest of them, they're all just sulking somewhere for a while in time-out. And now Osiris is hanging out with them for a while too. *nods* Yup.

-*flaaaaaaaaails* Because he doesn't know the compulsion's lifted and things and still thinks she's going to kill him and that he deserves to die and OH GOD DEAN, SWEETIE, GET SOME SELF-ESTEEM, BUT FIRST TURN THE GAS OFF.

-I'm going to mentally assume that's either de-alcoholised beer or a very beer-looking soda they're drinking on the side of the road next to the car, or they intend to just hang out there for a while and talk about things. *handwaves for personal reasons* It is a very pretty place to hang out and talk about things.

-"So where the hell did that come from? Volunteering to defend me?" He's your brother, Dean. He's going to try to defend you, just this time he used legalese instead of guns and Latin and really crap hand-to-hand skills.

-"So who was he talking about?"/"Who?" Yeaaaaah that whole killing Amy thing's not going to disappear just because you don't want Sam to know.

-"No idea. Honestly, that could be just about anybody dead we know." So very full of crap. In this particular instance. Not made of 90% crap. Just full of it. There's a difference.

-"Why'd he skip you?" Yeah considering Sam's had the whole 'guilt/angst/everything bad ever is all my fault' thing going on since season one puberty, he'd seem to be a very tempting target. However, Sam never set foot in Neal's Tavern, which seems to have been Osiris's one and only fishing spot. Really, he'd have to narrow his targets down somehow. He'd be trying people non-stop all over the world if he was going after anyone who felt guilty. Not sure why that specific tavern, maybe fry-eating woman has something to do with it somehow, although it seems like her significance was hallucinatory on my part, I don't know. But anyway, that's why Sam didn't get pinged. *nods*

-"Hell." Fair enough. Kind of like an extreme version of jail time, although he wasn't exactly there for his sins, he was there because he threw himself in Lucifer's cage trying to save the world. Doesn't work for Dean though because, well. Dean had a very different Hell experience, didn't he? Which in turn which landed him even more guilt.

-"My past is my past and I can move on with my life." I have no idea whether Sam is full of crap here or not. He's eerily calm... Like.... this is a holdover of some kind from soulless Sam....??? I dunno, maybe that experience has just made him better able to compartmentalize and so for but... that's a bit too sudden to be perfectly fine. O.o

-Car is very pretty. In case anyone forgot.

*scrolls back up to writer credit* Adam Glass, well done! That was fantastic! *grins all over*

Right! Now, samalander_dawn and ciaranbochna, you had things to say, let 'er rip. :-D

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samalander_dawn From: samalander_dawn Date: October 19th, 2011 10:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
Here's how we didn't die the last time crap like this happened, try it again

I would LOVE to see Bobby compile a list like that :)

my thing to say was just the location at the end looked SO very much like somewhere close by....but seeing it again probably not because the islands on the right are too close.
I still swear I recognize that bush on the right though
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 20th, 2011 01:05 am (UTC) (Link)
Isn't there a tie-in book out of Bobby's hunting tips? I heard something good about it I think.

my thing to say was just the location at the end looked SO very much like somewhere close by....but seeing it again probably not because the islands on the right are too close.
I still swear I recognize that bush on the right though

I suspect it's somewhere in Delta, they seem to do a lot of filming around there.
bellatemple From: bellatemple Date: October 19th, 2011 11:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
Another review I saw of the episode pointed out that it was, in fact, totally a Yom Kippur episode. Which to me makes it all ten thousand times more awesome. Like, maybe Sam got the shofar from the rabbi by explaining exactly what was going down (possibly minus stabbing an Egyptian god with it).

Also, I've developed a new theory re: Dean and guilt that I need to transform into a fic soon. Possibly tonight.

And in conclusion: JO!
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 20th, 2011 01:07 am (UTC) (Link)
Leaving out the bit about stabbing an Egyptian god always makes negotiations run smoother. *nods*

Also, I've developed a new theory re: Dean and guilt that I need to transform into a fic soon. Possibly tonight.

Oh reeeeeeally...? *ears perk up*

Jo! \o/
bellatemple From: bellatemple Date: October 20th, 2011 01:08 am (UTC) (Link)
If I can figure out a plot so it's not just a vignette, you might find out. ;D
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 20th, 2011 01:51 am (UTC) (Link)
Nothing wrong with a vignette.
bellatemple From: bellatemple Date: October 20th, 2011 02:12 am (UTC) (Link)
It'd be nice to try and reinsert the term "vignette" into the fanfic lexicon, if nothing else. Then maybe people could get back to using "drabble" for stories of exactly 100 words.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 20th, 2011 03:30 am (UTC) (Link)
I know! I used to use drabble the wrong way too, but I've called a few things 'vignettes' since then, I've got a tag for it. I tend to use 'ficlet' more often though I don't actually have any kind of system really. Vignette is a nifty word.
bellatemple From: bellatemple Date: October 20th, 2011 03:53 am (UTC) (Link)
It is! It was the word to use for the short, moody, character driven bits (you know, the bathtub fics) when I first got into fandom. I miss seeing things described as vignettes.
borgmama1of5 From: borgmama1of5 Date: October 20th, 2011 01:31 am (UTC) (Link)
"-OMG a salt line! \o/ Not that it's going to do a damn bit of good, I suspect, but it's good to see the classics getting used again. Salt line, EMF, salt and burn... Just need something to get shot in the face with rock salt and we've got most of the stuff from a season one episode. Except... this episode is kind of subverting it. All the stuff that's comfortable to the boys in terms of hunting that they've been using since they were kids either won't work, won't help, and certainly won't make anything less morally ambiguous."

This is a lovely catch on your part, as Sera Gamble has been saying that what used to work for the boys doesn't work now--and I never thought of that until you pointed it out!
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 20th, 2011 01:53 am (UTC) (Link)
Hunh. Yeah, and the loss of Bobby's place and library falls into that too.

In the case of this episode, it's not that they don't function because the salt-line is still effective, it's that they don't solve the underlying issues. Interesting.
ciaranbochna From: ciaranbochna Date: October 20th, 2011 02:34 am (UTC) (Link)
I was thinking that last shot was Tsawassen, as you drive out to the ferry. The strip of land looks oh so familiar.

So much Dean-angst in this episode it made it hard to breathe. Love it. I agree with your idea that the gods are only temporarily banished, just doesn't sit well with me otherwise.

I would also like to pat the budget for the Egyptian props. I watched The Mummy with Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing the other night, and it compared fairly well with that;)

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caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 20th, 2011 03:49 am (UTC) (Link)
Could be. I haven't been to the mainland since 2007, so my memory's a tad rusty.

So much Dean-angst in this episode it made it hard to breathe. Love it.

I knoooooow! \o/

I agree with your idea that the gods are only temporarily banished, just doesn't sit well with me otherwise.

Like a time-out. Or dodgeball. :-)

I would also like to pat the budget for the Egyptian props.

I'm wondering about those, they seemed to be quite a commitment of budget for a one-off item. Were they also in Monster Movie perhaps, or used in another series like Relic Hunter and gotten second hand?
ciaranbochna From: ciaranbochna Date: October 20th, 2011 04:02 am (UTC) (Link)
I haven't been out to that ferry since I was with my ex, so err, yeah.

It does seem like a committment, and that collar was actually quite good. Relic Hunter might be a good bet, definitely.
tahirire From: tahirire Date: October 20th, 2011 02:35 am (UTC) (Link)
Lol, my instant response to Sam's protest about Osiris's dirt nap not being 'permanent' was exactly the same as yours - GEEZ, Sam, you aren't ACTUALLY gonna live forever, y'know. (.... ARE you? O.o)
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 20th, 2011 03:51 am (UTC) (Link)
Hard to say what's going on with Sam at this point. Immortality might yet be an option.
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caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 20th, 2011 05:07 am (UTC) (Link)
Hee, that's about how I felt checking your journal all week.

Um, wow. Thanks! O.O

(I got desperate enough to read reactions to Jo's reappearance that I read the TWoP recaplet for the first time all season...biiig mistake. They really annoy me anymore. Snark is one thing, but the negativity there is exhausting.)

I've read a couple of the most recent recaps from Demian and I couldn't even finish one. He's so down on the show now it's like he's just ranting without really watching the episodes. I haven't really looked around the forums at all the past several years, but I'm guessing the negative attitude is pervasive? :-/

Also! Since you don't mention recognizing Osiris, that makes me think you don't watch Warehouse 13. You really should give it a shot. (And no, I'm not saying that so I can read your reaction posts. Or mostly not ~_~ )

It's on my list of shows to check out at some point. I've got too many things on the go to start something new right now, and a Supernatural reaction post already eats up my entire weekend most times, so available time is a rare thing for me.
ravelqueen From: ravelqueen Date: October 20th, 2011 07:29 am (UTC) (Link)
lawyer!Sam was so way past overdue^^

ohh Dean at one point you will have to actually confront your epic, epic issues. Can't hide behind taking care of your brother anymore. And while I do give Dean shit for some stuff he has done lately (Amy, Lisa-and-Ben) I do think they are more or less symptoms of all the other stuff, because Dean is kinda losing his already really flimsy idea of his own place/identity and is lashing out because of it in really stupid decisions.

Oh God, I don't even wanna know how they are going to resolve the Amy thing...like I think the writers can only go wrong with me. Like, I would be beyond pissed, if they would just let it slide or spin it like Dean did the right thing and how he had no choice (bullshit, you lied! you told Sam you trusted him! for shame!) on the other that shit-fest is going to make Sam so sad...

On a side note, I totally was just happy for Sam actually starting to resemble an emotionally stable person, but around 80% of the reactions I've read where in line with yours (from "I don't believe you!" to "is there somthing sinister going on?") ... so does that mean I'm just overly optimistic or that the show hasn't managed to break me yet XD?
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 20th, 2011 09:32 am (UTC) (Link)
Dean's been a cracked and broken puppy from day one, it's just getting harder and harder to manage.

so does that mean I'm just overly optimistic or that the show hasn't managed to break me yet XD?

...Yes. XD
galwithglasses From: galwithglasses Date: October 20th, 2011 02:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
Cool catch on Sturgeon's Law. Amen to turning off your cellphone ringer while being sneaky....
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 20th, 2011 10:00 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yep, when trying to be as quiet as possible, things that make noise get turned off. Seems logical, very rarely happens in TV land.
keerawa From: keerawa Date: October 20th, 2011 03:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
This was awesome, thank you! Now I'll be examining the boys' ties every time they wear them.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 20th, 2011 10:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
I doubt there's really anything to it, I just started noting them when doing picspams a while back. If I was in costume design, those ties would mean something.
irismay42 From: irismay42 Date: October 20th, 2011 05:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
Never even considered Jo might be trying to dissipate the gas a bit by blowing out the window! Love Jo, whether this was intentional or not! And that hand to Dean's face! So glad you capped that bit!!!
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: October 20th, 2011 10:04 pm (UTC) (Link)
Jo is smart, and she grew up to be awesome, and remains so after death. I couldn't not cap that hand to the face, it was practically a face-cuddle.
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