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Reactions to Episode 3.08 - A Very Supernatural Christmas

*before watching episode*

Have you ever gotten soooo excited over a new episode that you had to deliberately try and bring yourself back down to earth by going 'oh, it'll be horrible, oh it'll suck, oh they'll mess it up...' etc? That was me this afternoon at work. I'd find myself singing, tapping my feet, smiling, wiggling around in my chair like a four year old, etc. At work. Completely irrational. So I was trying to haul myself out of the stratosphere so I didn't get my hopes too incredibly high and wind up (god forbid) disappointed.

Things I've been spoiled for:
-The title. Back in September.
-That it's the Christmas Episode. From the title.
-Something about greedy kids, maybe?

And that's it. Almost nothing. I know! It's fantastic!

From that I've got such a wide range of "They're gonna / they're not gonna," that it's like I know nothing. The episode is a big, wrapped box, and I have no idea what's inside! I have a feeling they might get into some chewy stuff regarding Mary, but that's based on a vague passing inference from something said about something in a third party source that may or may not have been a Kripke interview, so I have no idea really. And even they, it could go several ways. Eee or Eek.


*watches episode*

So...

...um...

...yeah.

That was bizarre. And, well... Eek.

I hate to say it, but a lot of this episode hit some of my personal buttons on first viewing, and I spent a great portion of the episode being distracted by stuff in my own head.

But I'm gonna push past that and focus on the squee. *puts blinders on and forges ahead* This is probably a little out of order.



-Loved the fake-out opening, that almost really worked on me. I was a remote click away from panicking over to the other channel it was supposed to be on. 'Coz I am easily fooled by crappy retro graphic cuts.

-Opening sequence I missed most of because of the whole being fooled by the fake-out and worrying back and forth about changing the channel and 'is it on now or what?' thing. I remember it being rather disturbing. Oh yes, crunching noises and hauling the old guy up the chimney. Yech.

-Title card rocked. Anyone know where there's an animated icon of it yet?

-Anti-Santa and Krampus. Okay, someone just wrote that fic, less than a week ago, who was it? It had kick-ass research and links.

-Flashbacks. So. Little Sam was oblivious, but they knew Bobby back then. And they called him Uncle Bobby, which nearly blew right past my radar. Aww. Yay Bobby!

-And looks like wee!Dean's having a moment of adolescent pique. Or is he choosing to have a little freak out there to cover going and acquiring things without arousing Sammy's suspicion...?

-Okay! So. Um. Should I be worried if meadowsweet grows like a freaking weed where I live? As does mint and verbane/verbena/vervain's pretty common too.

-*is never having a wreath again* Unless it has a lot of holly in it. And not because apparently certain varieties of holly are loaded with caffeine.

-Gross lewd Santa! Eew! Get him awaaaaaaay! :-P

-What the hell is up with the giant bongs? Lewd Santa's is bigger than Andy's. And blue. :-P

-Sam and Dean carolling. As a last minute cover. Badly. Awesome.

-Anyone else see the bloody boots and weird gloves and think "Hogfather?" Just me? M'kay. Suits though, in a way.

-Cookie grab was very cute. The kid did a great job of being freaked.

-Yay for actor continuity for little Dean! So that was 12 and 8? And Sam didn't officially know what was going on before then.... hunh. Um... so... hunh. *clings nervously to fanon and looks around for some emergency retcon patching*

-Seriously, Sam had to know. Or at least knowledgably suspect something was up. Come on.

-Both the Wee!chester actors were great! Dead on choices for Sam and Dean. Little Sam might not have been a dead on physical match, but he sure acted like Sam. And was showing early signs of becoming a beanpole. Very well cast, and again, yay for continuity of casting Wee!Dean.

-What the hell with the 'pagan gods' Kripke? *drops subject and moves on*

-Bonus points for making Vancouver's mild climate a plot device. If we'd have gotten one of our freak snowstorms when this was filming, that would have been hilarious.

-TWOP shoutout: "Hardy Boys" P!WT Shoutout: Barbie doll.... Anybody catch any others? I don't know if the 'Wrapping the necklace in the comic section' counts as a shout-out to nearly every wee!chester present-giving fic ever, but what the heck.

-Sam got choked! By a sweet little lady evil-thing. Hee. I'm surprised she could reach high enough to be a genuine threat to his neck.

-What about the guy in the baaaaaaaaag! What the hell happened there? Was there a guy in the bag? I thought there was a bag that twitched and yelled when someone prodded it.

-That house is awesome. But, um, seriously. Avoid the "mincemeat" pies... :-P

-Why do torture scenes in happy cheerful surroundings done by happy cheerful people seem so much more evil? Funny how life's like that.

-Okay. I was a leeeetle bit concerned Sam was going to suddenly rediscover some psychic-kid powers in a moment of crisis there. Not concerned really, more like actively rooting for it out loud...

-Okay! Which fingernail was it, and how long should it take to heal? We can keep track of elapsed time with it if they're accurate.

-Fudge. Heh. That was cute. Around the office, we say 'fish'. I think I started that. Not sure how.

-Blood rituals and fingernail removals and yipes, not the frigging teeth again!! Yay! Saved by a fruitcake! And her baked goods! ;-D

-What a soft, squashy fruitcake that was. Not brick-like at all. No wonder the gruesome twosome turned the offering down.

-Sam gave Dean the pendant. Cool. I wonder where Sam got it... or who gave it to him... and for what purpo- Ooo. Frag. It was Bobby, wasn't it. Ooo. Okay. Good. I had half an evil origin meta for Dean's necklace there for a second. I am way too paranoid. Yay Bobby! Again, some more! Still no clue what it's supposed to do or what it's a symbol of, but Bobby originally wanted John to have it, so it can't be bad, right? Hmm. Hmmmmm.

-Also... I got Kripke'd. Thoroughly. Not just on a bunch of stories, but on something that isn't even freaking fanfic, or posted yet. But you'll see eventually. Or not, now. *sigh*

-And lights shining off the Impala as the snow filters down and the boys are snug inside the hotel room. Aw. *twitches and waits for screencaps*



All that said... I'm gonna have to wait a few days and take a fresh run at watching this episode, I think. I missed a lot of detail and lines. With my internal distractions, I didn't get really connected to this episode emotionally, and... *sigh* I hate my brain. :-/ I need to rewatch this when I'm in a better headspace. I may change my mind on any or all of the above.

In the meantime, I have to go mark some fics "Kripke'd". :-P


Dec 16, 11:14 PST. ETA:

On re-watch, it fared much better.

Also... Um. The 'vegetables' lil!Dean threw at lil!Sam? Were quite obviously and deliberately Funyons. There was a half second pause after the catch and the bag was directly label facing the camera, so unless that was a 'Funyons' product placement... I kinda think that might be a shout-out to the TWoP Text-Me thread. Which freaks me out beyond belief. But I could be wrong on that. Which is why I'm not making a new post about it. Because coincidences do happen...

*gleep*

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curtainpull From: curtainpull Date: December 14th, 2007 12:16 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh mna, you reckon the barbie was really a PWT shoutout? Awesome!

Loved this episode, little Sam reduced me to tears and moans of SAMMICH almost constantly. And the CHRISTMAS ENDING! HOMG. *runs to rewatch*
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: December 14th, 2007 04:49 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'd be willing to bet the Barbie was a shout out. *nods*

Loved this episode, little Sam reduced me to tears and moans of SAMMICH almost constantly. And the CHRISTMAS ENDING! HOMG. *runs to rewatch*

I feel cheated that I didn't have that reaction to the episode due to being distracted. *kicks brain* I'm going to have to rewatch it. Not a real chore, that. :-)
ficwriter1966 From: ficwriter1966 Date: December 14th, 2007 12:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
I figure Sam at 9 was a remarkably stupid and uncurious (is that a word?) kid. He's NINE and he's asking if Santa is real? And he's never gone looking for John's journal before? A book he's undoubtedly seen his father writing in (because hello, they live in A MOTEL ROOM), and gotten a bunch of evasive remarks about if he asked what it was? Sam would have hunted that baby down years ago. Then he cries himself to sleep after Dean's single remark of "Yeah, monsters are real." This kid got into Stanford? Okay, he trusts his big bro, but he doesn't go "WTF? You're kidding me."

They should've let Sera write the flashbacks. Seriously.

But I loved the current-day stuff! Rose Abbott is a people-munching Pagan god!!! And...BOYS! The "Awwwww"s are echoing around the planet now.

More stuff over at my LJ.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: December 14th, 2007 04:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
They should've let Sera write the flashbacks. Seriously.

Giant. Freaking. Word.

The happy torturing evil couple were awesome. And I really need to re-watch it once I get my head on straight so I can get the "Awww" part.
tigriswolf From: tigriswolf Date: December 14th, 2007 02:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
Don't worry about if they don't fit in canon! That's what AU is for.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: December 14th, 2007 05:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, but I try wherever possible to fit the things I write (that aren't obviously AU's lke the were-kitten thing) into feasible canon, and find that if something goes AU when I didn't intend it to, I can't get into writing it as easily, or sometimes at all. I've got over 20,000 words in unfinished, unposted stuff I can't get into writing anymore because it's gone AU and the bunny just won't hop.

I'm gonna need some processing time on the backstory elements presented last night is all.
sadelyrate From: sadelyrate Date: December 15th, 2007 11:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
To quote tigriswolf... "Don't you know canon is just guidelines?" ;)

Take a look at some of the stuff she's written. Perfectly canonical, the words used merely seen in a different light, the secondary, tertiary meanings considered over the first one the dictionary offers.

And Thank You for this. It was a delight to read through.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: December 17th, 2007 12:22 am (UTC) (Link)
"Don't you know canon is just guidelines?"

I know, I'm just a freak sometimes. :-)

And thanks!
gwendolyngrace From: gwendolyngrace Date: December 14th, 2007 03:35 pm (UTC) (Link)

Too much, need 2 posts!

Title card rocked. Dude, I laughed my ass off at the title cards!

they called him Uncle Bobby YES! I had carefully kept this out of my fics only because I wasn't sure whether John was the type who would fabricate a "relationship" when there wasn't one... Pastor Jim was always "Pastor Jim" and I wasn't sure whether Bobby would have been Bobby or "Mr. Singer" - though I would have bet Bobby would have given them permission very early to call him "Bobby" because "Mr. Singer" just doesn't feel right! But UNCLE Bobby is made of win.

And looks like wee!Dean's having a moment of adolescent pique. I liked the adolescent pique for a few reasons: 1. more "Mean to Sam" moments as opposed to perfect, silent-suffering Dean who moved the earth to make everything perfect for Sam; 2. Dean's freakout is, I think, linked to his own disappointment and anticipation that John's NOT going to make it home, as well as; 3. Sam's probing and asking all the wrong questions to which Dean had no adequate answers, so he's stressing.

I thought his screaming at Sam was a wee bit over the top, though not by much. I can see him getting pissed "I've told you before, DON'T talk about Mom" but I also had thought it was more of a "Not around Dad" type of rule. Sam obviously knows things about their mother--intellectually--so at some point, I think when they were younger, Dean should have opened up a little. Not a lot! Just a tiny touch. But I think not at this moment, because, well, he's stressing over a ruined Christmas.

Gross lewd Santa! Eew! YAH, no kidding. Actually the exchange fic I got assigned over at spn_thur_nights requested a Christmas-time fic with family bonding, and I already knew, but I have no idea whether the requester knew, that we were going to be getting this episode. However, knowing what little I did know, I'm going in a totally different direction with it.... and in fact, JOHN is working as a Santa (and doesn't want either of the boys to know), and I considered the stereotypical drunk, creepy Santa as one of the other Santas, and decided against because it's SOOOO cliche.

OTOH... "He's kidding." HEE. "We're just here to watch." WHAT? Sammy, Sammy, Sammy. Did it to yourself, dude.

So that was 12 and 8? And Sam didn't officially know what was going on before then.... hunh. Um... so... hunh.

Yeah. This Josses what...? Half the fanfic out there? I knew that was coming, too. I think they should probably have been a year younger, but 8 and 12 is okay. In his interview, Krip said 9 and 13, and that's what I went in thinking they were, and that's WAY too old. Even at that, though, I was really hoping it would turn out to be a case where Sam had already half figured it out, and was pushing/poking the issue to get Dean to admit the truth. Which he did, but I was expecting/hoping for more of a, "Dude, I found Dad's journal 6 months ago. I was waiting to find out when you'd tell me." Admittedly, that's not Sam's way, though: When he figures something out, he wants the confrontation right then and there.

But I can still massage this to my private universe, in which Sam has a very good suspicion, but is looking for confirmation from his father and Dean, and finally gets it by snaking the journal and reading it. (I have also been Kripke'd on the basis of *unposted* material in which Dean takes care to make sure that wee!Sam does not rifle through John's stuff unattended, for the precise reason that he might find either Journal or anything ghost-hunting-related.)

Con't.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: December 14th, 2007 05:20 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Too much, need 2 posts!

One thing that bugs me is why the hell John didn't have the Journal with him??? He's off hunting, he should have it with him. Did Sam steal it before John left and replace it with, I dunno, some grade three textbook John's gonna pull out when he needs an emergency exorcism or something?

Like I said above, gonna need time to process the new backstory.
gwendolyngrace From: gwendolyngrace Date: December 14th, 2007 03:35 pm (UTC) (Link)

part 2


Little Sam might not have been a dead on physical match, but he sure acted like Sam. And was showing early signs of becoming a beanpole. I completely agree. Looks? Nothing like Jared. That could have been helped with a simple dye wash - at least the hair would have been in the right color family. But mannerism? Dead on. You could see that this was a kid who would grow up to be Sam.

What the hell with the 'pagan gods' Kripke? Oh, WORD. ARGH. Hello, how did we get from "there's no satan in the craft" in the pilot to Dean doesn't know anything about the pagan origins of Christmas? (To say nothing of not knowing who Dick Van Dyke is...QUOI?) I had a big problem with the writing there.

Okay. I was a leeeetle bit concerned Sam was going to suddenly rediscover some psychic-kid powers in a moment of crisis there. Not concerned really, more like actively rooting for it out loud...

Yeah, that was me, too. I'm sitting there saying, "C'mon, Sammy! Jedi Mind Trick! Use the FORCE, LUKE!" Sigh.

But Dean talking around the pliers? Way to make me laugh during an otherwise squeam-inducing scene. Ow, ow, ow....

And yes! I was thinking about the fingernail and continuity for growing it back. It was his right index. That mother should be hurting for like a couple months.

One thing about the pendant: Yes, Bobby gave it to Sam to give to John. I thought we were supposed to learn about its purpose, but evidently not. Could be a deleted scene. In which case, DVD? Now? With all the unaired episodes? Now?

I got Kripke'd. Thoroughly. Not just on a bunch of stories, but on something that isn't even freaking fanfic, or posted yet.

Happens to me all the time. Join the club. I write fairly quickly, but it takes me a long time to get around to posting - partially a beta issue, and partially just free time to put into it. So my stuff is freaking always showing up before I've made it public.

It's better than getting Joss'd before the fact!
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: December 14th, 2007 05:28 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: part 2

I had a big problem with the writing there.

I think it was a new writer? Although why a new writer on something with so much backstory?

So my stuff is freaking always showing up before I've made it public.

I know, me too. This isn't even any kind of writing though. I'll probably do it anyway, unless someone else beats me to it. :-P

I really need to re-watch this episode with a fresh brain and a better attitude. :-/
gwendolyngrace From: gwendolyngrace Date: December 14th, 2007 06:36 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: part 2

I really need to re-watch this episode with a fresh brain and a better attitude. :-/

I know what you mean, and I've got the download and can't wait to watch it again (over the weekend, not sure when. Hm).

I think sometimes I get too pre-asquee and then my expectations get too high, even though (for this episode) there were things I knew about of which I was also already skeptical.

It'll take a little adjusting to wrap our brains around it, that's all.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: December 15th, 2007 01:34 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: part 2

It's more my personal crap that I'm fighting, but yeah. It's all adjustable.
malevolent73 From: malevolent73 Date: December 14th, 2007 05:43 pm (UTC) (Link)
I quickly wrote my review before reading yours because we have alot of the same feelings and I didn't want to be "Kitty'd" LOL

I'm sorry your brain couldn't let you enjoy it as much as you'd like. I was rather unspoiled also besides the title and I saw 1 picture of Sam handing Dean something wrapped in newspaper so I knew there'd be gift giving.

Also, I don't know if my kids are super naive or what but I have a 10 year old that still believes in Santa. Its amazing how easy it is to hide things from your kids and lie through your teeth to do it.

I want that animated icon also so I'm actually trying to make it myself. I don't have photoshop, just some crap that came with my computer so we'll see how that thing turns out. Hopefully someone will make a good one before I'm done butchering it! Ah ha ha ha ha!
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: December 15th, 2007 01:38 am (UTC) (Link)
I didn't want to be "Kitty'd" LOL

Hee! Dude, you made me laugh when I read this earlier today. Thank you! :-D

I want that animated icon also so I'm actually trying to make it myself.

I saw you did it! \o/ I'll be over there snagging it as soon as I get home from work which should be in another 3 or 4 hours. :-P
malevolent73 From: malevolent73 Date: December 17th, 2007 03:19 am (UTC) (Link)
Yay! Help yourself! :)
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