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Reaction: Star Trek - Into Darkness
I've seen the Star Trek: Into Darkness in 2D at a matinee showing with about 20 people in the theatre. Yay ticket under $11.

[Non spoiler reaction]
Non spoiler reaction

AWESOME. If you like Star Trek, Benedict Cumberbatch, sci-fi, or just special effects, etc, go see it. *twitches to add something but it would be spoilery so*


[Random order thought-dump reaction (followed by semi-linear 'notes while watching' reactions) with Spoilers, and capslock, and meta, and profanity, and...]
Random order thought-dump reaction (followed by semi-linear 'notes while watching' reactions) with Spoilers, and capslock, and meta, and profanity, and...
[I am really not kidding around about the spoilers, last chance to back out. This includes reference to events on the Original timeline, so spoilers for that too if you're concerned.]
I am really not kidding around about the spoilers, last chance to back out. This includes reference to events on the Original timeline, so spoilers for that too if you're concerned.
[Okay, I did warn you...]
Okay, I did warn you...



After watching initial thought dump.

-CAROL MARCUS IS THE BIGGEST RED HERRING. If you've seen the original series/movies. Because in the original Wrath of Khan (which this is in part a reboot of) she was the scientist in charge of the Genesis Project, which was a terraforming torpedo. Detonate it on a planet, it rebuilds the entire planet's surface to be earth-like, even if the planet already had life on it. I'd caught in passing that Carol Marcus would be a character, and did the automatic jump to the Genesis device. This lead to Khan (he was either going to be Khan or Gary Marshal after those filming shots of him shaking off a neck pinch from Spock surfaced and splattered unavoidably everywhere, and Khan is far more well-known an original Trek persona than Gary Marshal (Was Carol Marcus using the last name of Marshal at one point there? I don't recall(just found my note, it was Wallace, so never mind))) and the thought that Khan's endgame might be an intention to detonate one over Earth and wipe humanity out that way. But then the special warheads get loaded and Carol Marcus finagles her way on board (seriously, between that and Scotty flying that shuttle in, Starfleet internal security protocols are absolute shit) to be with the torpedoes, there's a whole cascade of "oh crap, they're Genesis torpedoes, her dad the Admiral is insane and out to eradicate the Klingon homeworld with the Genesis device." And then it's none of the above. THE PLOT HAD ME FOOLED FOR A BIT THERE.

-Part of the awesome thing about the way this was promoted is the trailers were crafted to suggest a certain sequence of events, leading to assumptions that people who knew the original series would make. The first Japanese trailer had a split second shot of hands on either side of a glass wall, and that is such an iconic moment for the original series, there was no denying what was going to happen for people who knew the original. So it became an issue of how they'd do it, because in the original, the Enterprise crew first meets Khan and his crew in a very different way, long before the Wrath of Khan. The backstory for Khan wouldn't be there. And since Reboot!verse is more militaristic and darker than the original due to the actions to change history taken by Nero in the first movie, the Genesis device would not have been developed to the stage it was originally because the technology would have been co-opted for military purposes far earlier than in the original. Although the Nero influence has put the Federations technical development into a higher rate of development simply from the need to develop defenses against attack and rebuild damages done by Nero. This was also far earlier in the timeline of Kirk's career than Wrath of Khan.

-TOUCHBACKS. So many touchbacks. "The needs of the many." The Katra-like moment with Pike and Spock. McCoy's bomb surgery. Sulu being in the Captain's seat. Knocking out Scotty. "Ship, out of danger." "Because you are my friend." "KHAAAAAAAAAAAAN!"

-I will be honest that I didn't call Khan's blood as being the way Kirk would come back from the radiation room incident until he punched Scotty. It was cute though: in the theatre while Kirk was getting irradiated and dying and whatnot, there was a little kid's voice down front that would pipe up every so often with things like. "He's gonna be okay, right?" "Kirk's not gonna die, right?" And then when Kirk wakes up afterward, there was an adorable little "Yee Haw!" and the whole theatre cracked up. I thought for a bit it might be a flashback from wee!Kirk driving the car in the first movie mixed into the muddle of sounds as he's waking up, but I checked and those were all 'Yaaaah!' shouts, and this was a very clear, very little "Yee Haw!" :-)

-Khan crashes the ship into Starfleet HQ, jumps out and slides down the saucer section, lands, gets in amongst the crowd and immediately picks up a long coat. Boy either has bonus ranks in Longcoat acquisition, or they follow him around, meeping softly, awaiting a chance to be used.

-Also, Benedict, HOLY SHIT WITH THE ASS-KICKING EVERYWHERE. I love his interpretation of Khan. Like a human bomb. Perfectly silent and still until there's violence exploding everywhere. It's perfectly meta that he's put his people into torpedoes if they're all like him.

-Speaking of them being all like him, and McCoy insisting Khan's blood is the only way they can save Kirk when they have 72 other people onboard and a lot easier to control, I say there's no way they can be certain the other genetically modified people have the same modifications as Khan, and they did have proof Khan's blood could bring something back to life, so rather than risk 72 quiescent unknowns, hang on to the one known sure thing with all four feet.

-Khan and his crew will definitely be back. Freeze him, stick him in a tube? HA. That didn't work so well last time.

-It is so appropriate to the Reboot that some faction in the Federation powers-that-be decided to try to use Khan's ruthlessness and genius to help the Federation. This is a Starfleet gone defensive and pragmatic to the extreme, which translates into incredibly dumbass missions into Klingon space and covering up their own dirty business.

-Uhura and the Klingons. I think if Harrison hadn't come in shooting (which, holy crap! Man-portable gun that can take down a D4? O.o) and she'd faced down the Klingon who was strangling her (tricky but feasible), she might have got them on-side. Would have helped if Reboot verse had had more of a diplomatic arm to the Federation rather than a paranoid defensive get-them-before-they-get-us arm to lay any sort of groundwork for cooperation though. She argued the point well in a way that showed some understanding of the Klingon culture, I thought anyway.

-McCoy's extracted a cure for recent death out of Khan's blood, which as far as I'm concerned might bump the medical development of the Federation up an entire tech level. That's not going to change the social structure of the Federation at all. Or have Federation scientists analyzing every scrap they can get off Khan and his cohort while they're in cryogenic suspension. Which they might have to stay in since the one they decanted to free a pod for Kirk was ordered to be kept in a coma (I think) and they wouldn't have decanted him if they had stasis technology available on board. It's really interesting, the gaps and overfills in technology in the Reboot versus the original, and so far it's not hard to see reasons for each omission or overdevelopment based on Nero's activities changing history.

-Spock talking to Spock. "I swore I wouldn't give away knowledge about what happened, events must unfold, blah blah blah. That said, fuck causality, let me tell you all about Khan." AWESOME.

-In the end... I'm still kind of rooting for Khan? Except for the killing lots of people and planned mass genocide and whatnot. His case was better presented and explained, and less of the 'who's doing what to who and why' dog's breakfast jingoistic scramble that Admiral Marcus presented.


Semi-linear random notes and comments made scrawling in the dark in the theatre:

-They stopped the volcano from exploding, yeah, but that doesn't solve the underlying tectonic pressure issue, so it'd just erupt harder in a bit, or cause other eruptions and earthquakes. (Handwave - They did some seismic phasering in an unpopulated area of the planet to relieve the underlying pressure.)

-The capacity of a Constellation class starship to operate underwater is new. And a little lol-tastic, but what the hell. Getting the ship under the ocean and then maneuvering it into range without the locals seeing it to that point must have been a heck of a lot of fun.

-Stardate structure, which has always been a source of puzzlement in the original series, seems to be simplified down to YEAR.NUMBER OF DAYS INTO YEAR. I like.

-OH HI MICKEY. I FORGOT SOMEONE SAID NOEL CLARKE WOULD BE IN THIS IN SOME WAY. Holy crap though. He does some good intense and tortured doesn't he?

-As further evidence of the increased military focus of Starfleet vs exploratory, the dress uniforms have hats. Very serious hats. It took a while to stop snickering.

-Pike talking to Kirk. Kirk has needed that particular talking to for about, oh, forever.

-USS Bradbury. Aw.

-OH HI BUCKAROO BANZAI. Peter Weller is in this too apparently. I think I knew that but managed to forget.

-Hm. I have a large FUCK here in my notes. I suspect that's the detonation of the research centre. That ring bomb was cool, but again, Starfleet internal security is shit if the scanner gate isn't checking for undeclared quantities of chemicals that can take out a city block when dropped into tap water. Also, Mickey's daughter needing a miracle cure so he can be manipulated into doing this is very much not a coincidence. Harrison arranged for whatever happened to the guy's kid to happen, and then let him and his family marinate in agony so that he'd be desperate enough to do this, so the Captains and FO's would be called to convene to make a nice fat target to blow the crap out of. Cold, calculating tactically smart bastard. LOVE THAT.

-Kirk losing Pike, who is realistically the only effective father-figure he's had, and one who's backed him despite him being a dumbass who thinks rules are for suckers, and one to whom he didn't get a chance to prove that his belief in him and his support weren't misplaced. Aw Kirk.

-BENEDICT AND LONG COATS FOREVER.

-Portable transwarp transporter capable of transporting a person across the galaxy. YES, THIS IS A DIFFERENT UNIVERSE.

-Scotty (and his little buddy) quitting. After the brief reassignment of Kirk and Spock to different ships and roles, the crew dynamic being threatened is a kind of powerful source of plot tension here.

-KIRK AND UHURA GOSSIPING IN THE ELEVATOR ABOUT SPOCK OH MY GOD. XD

-Making Chekov the Chief Engineer. At what now, 18? Dude.

-Generally engaging warp drive while that close to a space station would turn the space station to orbital confetti, but I'mma handwave that as another Reboot tech development. Sharper transwarp field focus makes for better tactical maneuverability and so on. Yeah. *handwave*

-Here's where I noticed (possibly again) that the flocking pattern in the tunic fabric is lots of little Starfleet insignia. Also re the insignia itself, they've got the divisions correct. Command insignia have the star in the middle, sciences have two circles interlinked. Didn't have enough spare attention to note whether Engineering had the lightning whorl or if medical was first aid crosses or if it was circles and under sciences.

-They brought a couple red shirts along. Never leave the ship without a few red shirts (did they all make it back? I lost track of them.)

-OMG THE TIFF IN THE SHUTTLE! XD

-D4 ships! With some fascinating flexing wings that make for some interesting possibilities for maneuvering and thrust vectors.

-BENEDICT JUMPING OFF THINGS. IN A LONG COAT. WITH BIG FUCKING GUNS. HELL YES.

-Large scrawly letters filling the page: "OF COURSE HE'S SURRENDERING! HE WANTS ACCESS TO THE TORPEDOES AND THE STARSHIP!" I have so little faith in Kirk's strategic capacity.

-Beating the hell or attempting to beat the hell out of a prisoner whose surrender you've accepted is not exactly polite there, Kirk. Is there no Geneva Convention in 2259? (See also: Rules that don't apply to Kirk I guess?)

-Scotty going to the coordinates and finding a big squarish technological installation of some kind elicited a big "OH FUCK, BORG???" in the notes, as I am sure was the intent of whoever decided the secret construction base should be big and seemingly cube-like.

-"Well, shit, you talked to him." HAHAHAHAHA. And now Kirk knows too much and must die. Good to know the Starfleet Admiralty still has the capacity to churn out some decent Evil Overlord material. Probably even better capacity in Reboot verse since aggression and ruthlessness isn't considered as much of a detriment.

-FOLLOWING THEM INTO WARP SPACE. CATCHING UP TO THEM IN WARP SPACE. COMBAT IN WARP SPACE. HULL BREACHES IN WARP SPACE. PERSONNEL GOING FLYING OUT UNPROTECTED INTO WARP SPACE. GETTING KNOCKED OUT OF WARP SPACE. WARP SPACE OPERATES VERY DIFFERENTLY IN REBOOT VERSE, I THINK. And sometimes looks a bit like the Time Vortex off Doctor Who. Hmm.

-"Spare my crew." Um. Kirk, honey, they all know too much too. There's no way he's going to let any of you out of this alive, and if he says he will he is lying his ass off.

-GIANT PHASER CANNONS that have like, little glowy bits inside and kind of looked a little like toasters according to my notes. Hee!

-AND EVERYTHING STOPS BECAUSE SCOTTY IS AN EPIC FUCKING BADASS Y'ALL!

-Tribble, while it's a little displaced in when its discovered, makes perfect sense to be used in Reboot Verse as a lab animal aboard ships. You'd only ever need to carry one. Also TRIBBLE!

-I have a note here that just says "Holy crap, Benedict." and I do not know what that's referring to. This is why, among many other reasons, I wish I had this available for rewatching.

-There was a prominent 42 on the wall of the Dreadnought somewhere.

-Of course Khan has stun resistance you fools.

-Spock doesn't lie. "The torpedoes are yours." Just with a different payload. That is definitely another Wrath of Khan callback.

-GRAVITY FAILURE!! \o/ I had a character in a Star Trek game get the Captain's approval to stage an unannounced gravity failure drill once on a training ship. The other players had all put the bare minimum into standard "I live and work in space and this skill might help me survive" skills and put everything into weapons and tactical skills or sciences. It was a glorious disaster.

-I loved how Chekov was the one saving them from falling, because in the original series, Chekov was usually the one who needed the most rescuing. Also, in the original Wrath of Khan Chekov was mind-controlled by brain worms for a significant portion of it, so Reboot verse is being very kind to him in comparison.

-Kirk fixing the warp core by kicking the crap out of it is just so damned Kirk I can't stand it. XD

-Mid-combat mind meld attempt shows just how pissed off Spock is, doesn't it.

-And here I have 'DUDE DUDE DUDE SHIT SHIT SHIT OW OW OW' in my notes, and I really want to rewatch to figure out what that's about.

-And at the end: "Space, the final frontier." There were at least two people in the theatre whispering it along with him. I wasn't one of them, but yeah. That was good.



So yeah. *nods*

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lobelia321 From: lobelia321 Date: May 26th, 2013 11:01 am (UTC) (Link)
Thanks, that was fun! First actual Star Trek fan (I am not one so had no clue) I've come across who enjoyed the film and isn't joining in on Harrisongate. [Spoiler (click to open)] Khangate

Edited at 2013-05-26 11:03 am (UTC)
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: May 26th, 2013 08:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm not really in the Star Trek fandom at all (I just am a general fan of the 'verse from way way back) so I'm happy to say whatever that is has passed me by.
aelfgyfu_mead From: aelfgyfu_mead Date: May 26th, 2013 03:49 pm (UTC) (Link)
I enjoyed this movie despite disliking the reboot enough that I almost didn't see Into Darkness.

The Coat! By the end of the movie, I had a laundry list of complaints about science and plot failures (which does not preclude enjoyment), and so did Brilliant Husband, but the every top of his list was Harrison's ability to jump into a crowd and emerge at once with a coat that fit him.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: May 26th, 2013 08:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
The coat fitting didn't bother me because he's not an atypical size, and given this was near Starfleet Headquarters, there'd be a certain homogeneity of build due to most of them doing the same training, so he could eyeball the sizing (or the person leaving their coat behind, can't remember if there was a quick shot of someone leaving that table in the mayhem) on the fly and get something pretty close.

Now if I'd jumped off a crashed starship, rolled into a crowd and come out wearing a perfectly-fitting long coat, that would be a severe blow to the suspension of disbelief. As would me jumping off of a crashed starship. XD
aelfgyfu_mead From: aelfgyfu_mead Date: May 26th, 2013 03:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
I meant to say I enjoyed your LJ cuts!
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: May 26th, 2013 08:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
I tried to give the dithering plenty of chance to have second thoughts.
shadowfireflame From: shadowfireflame Date: May 26th, 2013 05:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
Awww, the Yee Haw! LOL!

Like a human bomb. Perfectly silent and still until there's violence exploding everywhere.

THIS!!! I saw him as more of a snake coiled up and ready to strike into action, but yes, a bomb works very well too, and fits in with the torpedoes! And, yeah, I was also rooting for him (despite the whole evil terrorist thing).

“Holy crap, Benedict” = insane crying scene?!?! Because that one gave me shivers, damn.

caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: May 26th, 2013 09:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't think so, the crying scene was earlier (and yes, that was rather amazing considering it wasn't the usual 'cut to perfect manly tear/cut away' but you could see the tears building up in his eyes as he spoke, and it was done as one long cut, and having that much focus and control over crying while at the same time delivering lines face first into a camera is pretty darn impressive).

It might have been something in the attack on the guards when they got on board the dreadnought where it was definitely him doing something and not a stunt guy.
irismay42 From: irismay42 Date: May 26th, 2013 05:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
Glad you got to see it! I really wasn't spoilered at all - hadn't even seen a trailer for it - all I knew was Benedict Cumberbatch was in it. So I immediately knew he had to be a bad guy. Because he's English. Such is the way with American movies and TV! Which is why Carol Marcus was also a red herring for me, but in a different way. Before I realised who she was, I figured she had to be a baddie just because she was English! Hooray for an English good guy! (I'm not sensitive about this at all, you understand!)

Great to see Noel Clarke acting his socks off too. I always thought he was a bit wasted in Who. (Am I allowed to say that?)

Absolutely loved the Kirk and Spock reversal after Kirk got irradiated. Utter stroke of genius!
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: May 26th, 2013 09:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
RE: English accents in American movies being evil. Hee! I'd blame ingrained colonial resentment for that, handed down the years in the entertainment industry to become a trope. I don't think it's quite as prevalent as it used to be though.

Noel Clarke didn't get much opportunity for that level of intense internal conflict in Who as the left-behind-sort-of-boyfriend-maybe of Rose. Mickey was initially written as a bit of a twerp (although he did have significant character growth), but he didn't do too shabby with what he was given.

That scene, I knew they had to reverse it or alter it some way, and for a while I thought it might be some other character altogether, but of course it is such a Kirk and Spock moment it had to remain a Kirk and Spock moment, only this time from the other side.
ciaranbochna From: ciaranbochna Date: May 26th, 2013 07:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
I look forward to seeing it (for all the obvious reasons;)
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: May 26th, 2013 09:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
Wished I could have gone to see it with you guys, it would have been great to go for coffee after and talk about this movie.

Judging by it having already been moved to the smallest theatre here and the showing I went to having only about 20 people (though it was 2D), I don't know how much longer it might be in town, and I probably won't be in your area again for a month. :-/
ciaranbochna From: ciaranbochna Date: May 27th, 2013 12:15 am (UTC) (Link)
It would have, but I am glad you were able to see it on the big screen regardless. I might go see Iron Man 3 by myself tomorrow, just because. Enjoying a night alone right now:)
ciaranbochna From: ciaranbochna Date: June 14th, 2013 05:06 am (UTC) (Link)
Mom and I saw it tonight. ALL THE REASONS YOU WROTE HERE ARE INDESCRIBABLY PERFECT!!! And now we resume our normal speech without flailing and caps.

I am a tad worried I was annoying people in the theatre by talking to the screen and gesturing, but so was mom...to hell with it (we were also wearing earplugs, so that may have compounded things slightly).

Benedict being quietly insane, and badass is just...hells bells. Scotty, conversations, the agony of all the little moments. Coherence, how I miss thee.

caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: June 14th, 2013 05:26 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh yes and the gesturing! This is yet another reason I sit at the back in movie theatres, because there were at least five literal flailing-flappy-hands moments along with the note-writing.

So we are going to have to watch this as a group at some point,right? Even if it's when it comes out on DVD?
ciaranbochna From: ciaranbochna Date: June 14th, 2013 05:44 am (UTC) (Link)
Well obviously;) No one can refute that logic!! Although, I should really remember tissues (or at least getting them out first). *facepalm*
ravenrants From: ravenrants Date: May 26th, 2013 10:00 pm (UTC) (Link)
Boy either has bonus ranks in Longcoat acquisition, or they follow him around, meeping softly, awaiting a chance to be used.

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought that. I had the image of longcoats skittering out of stores upon mental command of their master. I started laughing and the person sitting next to me thought I was INSANE.
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: May 26th, 2013 10:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
You can almost see them all, chasing after him in an endless undulating wave.
lurkingwombat From: lurkingwombat Date: May 28th, 2013 05:45 am (UTC) (Link)
Thanks for all the lovely spoilers ;)
Will be seeing the movie in the next couple of weeks but reading this helped me to really look forward to it :)
Also heard some stuff from a friend I met up with today so that was good too.
I liked that I had to go thru 3 clicks to get to your spoilery stuff ;)
hugs
caffienekitty From: caffienekitty Date: May 28th, 2013 04:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
I was thinking of putting "Hi Wombat" at the end of all the clicks but didn't.
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